Episode 6
Bob Dunn of Do the Woo Podcast
In episode six of Podcaster Stories, I sit down with Bob Dunn, founder of BobWP and host of Do the Woo Podcast.
After making his name in the WordPress community, Bob has continued to grow his reputation in the WooCommerce space, showcasing the platform's features and benefits when it comes to e-commerce using the WordPress platform.
In this week’s show, I sit down with Bob to talk about pivoting your brand, where WooCommerce is headed, how he and his wife beat IKEA's marketing department, and more.
Topics on the menu include:
- Why he made the pivot from purely WordPress to WooCommerce
- How he's grown as a podcaster from launching different shows
- Why he chose the WooCommerce platform to concentrate on
- Where he sees the future of WooCommerce
- Why you should pinpoint exactly what you want to do when launching a podcast
- How he and his wife beat out the multi-national retailer IKEA for a marketing award
Settle back for an informative show about the WooCommerce platform, building a niche, finding your passion when it comes to podcasting, and more.
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Contact me: danny@podcasterstories.com
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Transcript
Hi, and welcome to Podcaster Stories he would show up,
Speaker:we will have a conversation with Podcast that was across
Speaker:all mediums and share their story of what motivates them,
Speaker:why they started to show up as a group to
Speaker:show off and More, but also talk about their personal
Speaker:lives. And some of the things have happened. I've made
Speaker:them the person in the afternoon. And now here's your
Speaker:host Danny Brown Hey guys. Welcome to today's episode of
Speaker:Podcaster Stories where we take you behind the scenes to
Speaker:talk to The people behind the voices. All of the
Speaker:show is to be listened to it today. I've got
Speaker:someone that I've known online for about, I guess, 10
Speaker:years know, maybe more. And that's Bob, Dunn who I've
Speaker:known from the WordPress community and the blogging community.
Speaker:And, you know, Bob's move on to the, I guess,
Speaker:the podcasting community. So we're going to talk about that
Speaker:move in a short today. So, Bob, thanks. We're going
Speaker:to have to show I'm I'm going to hand it
Speaker:over to you to tell us about yourself on your
Speaker:show.
Speaker:Really appreciate it. Danny yeah, it has been, I think
Speaker:it's been a good decade and we've been through a
Speaker:lot of them, a lot of the interesting, what do
Speaker:I want to say? Ups and downs and the industry.
Speaker:So I'm glad to be on here, but yeah, I
Speaker:write now I I'm known kind of in the WordPress
Speaker:space as Bob WP and my site, Bob the bp.com.
Speaker:I have a podcast called Do the Woo podcast. And
Speaker:what it is focused on is WooCommerce, which is if
Speaker:you're not familiar with WordPress is an e-commerce one of
Speaker:the, probably the most popular e-commerce plugin for WordPress to
Speaker:build an online store and to sell online. And that
Speaker:kind of transpired over a period of time.
Speaker:How I got to this point, because to be honest,
Speaker:I think I'm at number seven or eight in the
Speaker:number of podcasts I've done, but I thought I was
Speaker:going to ask you about this because obviously, as you
Speaker:mentioned
your main site is Bob wp.com. So he started from
Speaker:blogging and start, as you mentioned, moved more towards the
Speaker:Podcast and medium, what have you found has been the
Speaker:biggest difference between say, you know, a written word and
Speaker:spoken word?
Speaker:That's interesting because I was actually inspired, but I thought
Speaker:about podcasting as far back as 2009, because I had
Speaker:a couple colleagues that were into it and it just
Speaker:didn't seem to fit at the time, you know, to
Speaker:do in blogging the whole thing, but it was like,
Speaker:Hmm, no. So in 2014, I actually started my first
Speaker:one. And since then, I think it's just, it just,
Speaker:for me, it's another medium, it's another tool to get
Speaker:your content out there.
Speaker:I'm still, if I have a preference of what I
Speaker:really enjoy doing, I enjoy podcasting, but I always enjoy
Speaker:writing first and I'm reaching a different audience. Of course,
Speaker:I think that's why, you know, a lot of us
Speaker:do this because there is a different audience personally, I,
Speaker:as well as it sounds, I'm not a huge fan
Speaker:of podcasts because I'm more of a, a visual I
Speaker:like to read rather than an auditory. So it was
Speaker:just, yeah, I think it's just, there's, there's a lot
Speaker:of differences. There's a lot of preferences people have. And
Speaker:I mean, I know I've talked to a lot of
Speaker:people that, you know, they listen to podcasts all the
Speaker:time, other people that just, you know, I won't touch
Speaker:them just because they don't work for me. So I
Speaker:guess my observation is really, it's another tool it's like
Speaker:a video came in and videos all big and everything
Speaker:is just another way to communicate.
Speaker:And it gives a different feel. There really is something
Speaker:different than even watching a person and watching them talk
Speaker:versus just hearing them talk. And that, I think it
Speaker:brings out more the personality of the individual. And it
Speaker:brings you, you seem to be more focused on what
Speaker:they're actually saying rather than watching them, especially if they
Speaker:are, you know, tried to be rather entertaining on the
Speaker:video. You're getting that MS, you're interpreting that message differently.
Speaker:And it, I think that's something that's unique that podcasting
Speaker:brings is that audio only, I mean, you know, it's
Speaker:like radio we've been, you know, been around forever and
Speaker:how many of us grew up or lived on radio's
Speaker:or whatever that was.
Speaker:And it is still in a sense it's still an
Speaker:important piece of our culture. So I think it just,
Speaker:yeah, I think it just brings a different, different perspective
Speaker:to content just being AUDIO.
Speaker:And I think T to your point about, and be
Speaker:in visual creatures, and it was a Bob Reed who
Speaker:was on last week show up. So I was speaking
Speaker:to you, he'd mentioned that, that his sweet spot four,
Speaker:like a podcast listen to, for example, it would be
Speaker:about 20 or 30 minutes because people tend to, you
Speaker:can switch it off and have it on in the
Speaker:background. Do you work or go to grocery shop and
Speaker:whatever you want to do, as opposed to having to
Speaker:concentrate on, you know, our video that you have to
Speaker:physically watch or a written water, you have to have
Speaker:your eyes focused on. And I think maybe to your
Speaker:point, that's definitely where the differences of the audience has
Speaker:come in and, and how they prefer to consume the
Speaker:content. Yeah.
Speaker:And I think that looks just like you said, it's
Speaker:how you can do it in when you can do
Speaker:it. I mean, we found, you know, another way to
Speaker:fill a gap, whether its a commuting, whether its, you
Speaker:know, cleaning your house, whatever you're doing, this gives you
Speaker:the opportunity. If that's your style to listen to some
Speaker:content, to, you know, whether its educational or entertaining or
Speaker:whatever it may be.
Speaker:Now that you've mentioned that you've had about seven or
Speaker:eight Podcast now, or this is your notes about central
Speaker:worries and your first podcast is back in 2014. So
Speaker:what was that first podcast and why that particular show
Speaker:or that particular topic?
Speaker:I think I forced myself into it was called WP
Speaker:break down and I thought of as a real clever
Speaker:cuz you know, either I was, I was, it was
Speaker:a short talking head Podcast, I'd talk for like 10
Speaker:or 15 minutes about some plug-ins or something like that.
Speaker:And I thought, well, that's really clever, you know, it's
Speaker:like the WP break down on breaking down the, but
Speaker:a lot of us have a breakdown when we are
Speaker:working on WordPress. So yeah, I mean, in my mind
Speaker:that was it. And I don't know whether anybody interpreted
Speaker:it that way or not. I did it just to
Speaker:get my feet wet and it, it was like, finally,
Speaker:I'm ready to do this. I'm ready to dive in.
Speaker:And I did it for about 12 or I don't
Speaker:know, 12 or 14 months.
Speaker:And it really was when I look back on it,
Speaker:it was really a lame podcast and be totally honest.
Speaker:I don't even know how many people I had listening
Speaker:to it, but I felt like I was just regurgitating
Speaker:what I was writing about. And even though it is
Speaker:a different medium, it just, it wasn't exciting to me.
Speaker:I mean, I, it doesn't have to be exciting, but
Speaker:there was just, this is like, what am I talking
Speaker:about? This stuff I write about it. It's like blah-blah-blah.
Speaker:And, and finally I just said, you know, I'm stopping
Speaker:this Podcast because I need to find something else. I
Speaker:need to find something that clicks with me and I'm
Speaker:not gonna say that is going to happen in two
Speaker:months. Are they were or a year or whatever it
Speaker:took about a year before I started in the other
Speaker:one again.
Speaker:But you know, that one was just, I mean, it
Speaker:was fine. It, it got me used to it and
Speaker:understanding it. And then it also helps me to understand
Speaker:that I think I want to do more interview style.
Speaker:I don't want to be the talking head because I'm
Speaker:really not sure if I'm able to capture an audience
Speaker:for a long amount of time by myself. I mean,
Speaker:I was, you know, really questioning myself or even realistic
Speaker:or is this, you have something people want listen to
Speaker:it. And if a few people, you know, when I
Speaker:quit, they were bummed. They said, Oh, you know, enjoy
Speaker:it. It, well, you know, that's great. We're going to
Speaker:move on. So so I so I ended that one
Speaker:then I don't know.
Speaker:I completely understand the ice onset in my own personal
Speaker:Podcast where the last couple of weeks to concentrate on
Speaker:this one, because to your point I was doing it
Speaker:just as the soul power. So now, and again, I
Speaker:have people on a day to talk with us, but
Speaker:primarily it was my soul at my soul person and
Speaker:myself and I just, I couldn't, I wasn't enjoying it
Speaker:as much as it was always questioning. Well, how do
Speaker:I want to talk about this topic, that topic, et
Speaker:cetera. And I find this for my, I enjoy di
Speaker:the, the interviews, the charts much, much, much more than
Speaker:doing it myself. And if I, in this format or
Speaker:to your point a lot more, you know, entertain a
Speaker:and a lot more fun for me to take our
Speaker:end as well.
Speaker:Yeah. And I think you kind of find that group
Speaker:too. It's like, but I've talked to people about podcasts.
Speaker:I said, I've had a lot of people that have
Speaker:come back to me. He said, I love your interviews
Speaker:with me or the interview you did with me. It
Speaker:made me feel comfortable. We had a good conversation. You're
Speaker:a good interview in our, I didn't consider myself, you
Speaker:know, some good interviewer. It was like, I didn't have
Speaker:experience in that. But on the other hand, I thought,
Speaker:okay, maybe I've found that sweet spot. And this is
Speaker:what works best for me.
Speaker:No, you had mentioned, I will say it that you
Speaker:concentrate and no one WooCommerce, which is the eCommerce, you
Speaker:know, they are the primary e-commerce platform for WordPress when
Speaker:you moved over to that. Cause I know you started
Speaker:to do that first on your blog, you moved to
Speaker:talk in a lot more about WooCommerce as opposed to
Speaker:WordPress in general. And so when you had launched a
Speaker:podcast where you have a concern, it could be too
Speaker:niche because it was a very specific to an e-commerce
Speaker:plugin. Or did you find out like maybe a, a,
Speaker:a bonus and that was an opportunity to own that
Speaker:niche then?
Speaker:Yeah, that's interesting because when I started the podcast up
Speaker:again, after that first one, and that was in 2016,
Speaker:I decided to start, it was actually the Do, the
Speaker:Woo podcast. And I started it as a niche down
Speaker:to WooCommerce after about seven months, I thought, Hmm. I
Speaker:don't know if I want that much of a focus
Speaker:right now. I don't know if it's right. So I
Speaker:switched it over to the WPE commerce show to talk
Speaker:about it all e-commerce on WordPress. So it, it kind
Speaker:of opened up a lot more. And I ran that
Speaker:for, for years as that particular Podcast up till this
Speaker:last March and I ended up, but then I got
Speaker:in my turmoil of, Oh, I'm going to try this
Speaker:podcast.
Speaker:I'm going to do this podcast. I decided to bring,
Speaker:do the loop back and I have bought a co-host
Speaker:in and we were doing it twice a month and
Speaker:I was doing it simultaneously with the other e-commerce podcast.
Speaker:And it came to a point where my whole site
Speaker:and a lot of what I determined when I would
Speaker:decide on a podcast is this is my business. My
Speaker:website is my business publishing as my business. So its
Speaker:kind of fit in to my business and it can't
Speaker:always be, Ooh, I just wanted to do it because
Speaker:its cooler, it was fun. So I looked at WooCommerce
Speaker:and the direction my site was going and made some
Speaker:changes, talked to a lot of people and thought, okay,
Speaker:WooCommerce is back on the front plate.
Speaker:And, and you know, some people did come to me
Speaker:and say, ah, boy, you're seem to be putting things
Speaker:all in one basket. And I said, you know, I've
Speaker:pivoted a lot over these last 13 years since I
Speaker:use WordPress and I can pivot again if need be.
Speaker:But right now that is a sweet spot. So there
Speaker:was never really any concern. I think it was the
Speaker:growth and building my sight around that WooCommerce audience, the
Speaker:Podcast just seemed natural. So the more I talked to
Speaker:people on the more opportunities I saw me to talk
Speaker:to people as guests on the show versus back when
Speaker:I first started it, it was a little harder to
Speaker:find people kind of a deeper into WooCommerce they were
Speaker:more available now.
Speaker:And it just, it was almost just a natural segue
Speaker:that fit for the entire model I was creating. And
Speaker:as a result, even I started just this last a
Speaker:two or three weeks ago, I was doing a WooCommerce
Speaker:round up and I decided that, well, why don't I
Speaker:make that a little Podcast too is just simply, it's
Speaker:just another way to get it out there for somebody
Speaker:who would rather listen to a two to three minute
Speaker:thing, then my little news post and I put it
Speaker:up. And so I started that one. So yeah, it,
Speaker:it never in a way, in a long about way
Speaker:it's never really was, am I going to be stuck
Speaker:in, this is just too niche.
Speaker:In fact, I think that's the way to do it
Speaker:now. And if you are going to try to monetize
Speaker:yours, Podcast that you got to niche down on this
Speaker:year, some celebrity in some space that you just automatically
Speaker:have a huge following and people throw money at you.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Oh yeah. And it's funny at the end of the
Speaker:podcast hosts, I used, they have a weekly, a call
Speaker:and like a live call where the customers can, you
Speaker:know, ask the biggest questions about Podcast and grow a
Speaker:show or et cetera, et cetera. And the number one
Speaker:question, you know, rightly or wrongly as about monetization, when
Speaker:can I do it? How soon, how big, how many
Speaker:downloads, et cetera. And it was interesting to see The
Speaker:the CEO and the founder or co-founder of the platform
Speaker:mention that, you know, its not your usual approach and
Speaker:at the wrong way or when it comes to monetization
Speaker:as a boat being useful first providing great content and
Speaker:then start thinking about what can I get back from
Speaker:this? So to speak.
Speaker:Right, exactly. And even when I started the do the
Speaker:Woo as it was in 2016, I started it out
Speaker:the gate saying I'm going to monetize this thing. And
Speaker:it was risky as far as sponsorships, but I looked
Speaker:at it as I'm not looking at numbers, I'm not
Speaker:looking at whatever, I'm looking at a niche and I'm
Speaker:looking at my brand and that's what I'm going to
Speaker:sell it on and see how that goes.
Speaker:And, and when you mentioned, I mean, I think it's
Speaker:fair to say Bob to it. Like I said, we've
Speaker:known each other for a long time and I've seen
Speaker:You to your point about pivoting from, you know, different
Speaker:gangs Topics and where are your expertise lies? And I
Speaker:think it's pretty safe to say that you are very
Speaker:well respected in both the WordPress and the WooCommerce, you
Speaker:know, arenas as a user of the platform and as
Speaker:someone that's respected and you know, a share of the
Speaker:expertise, either on your Pop your, your blog or your
Speaker:podcast, where do you see WooCommerce going as a platform
Speaker:to expand beyond WordPress? Do you think it would just
Speaker:stay within that market? Or what was your take on
Speaker:that buy? That's a good question because
Speaker:It's weird. I'm kind of this, what do you call
Speaker:it? I don't know if any of your listeners can
Speaker:relate to it, but I was talking to somebody the
Speaker:other day about the old 1970s, FM disc jockey. So
Speaker:we're laid back, but throw on a whole album and
Speaker:you wouldn't hear from them until they flipped over this
Speaker:side. Just merely did tell you to flip all the
Speaker:way or the other side. And they were mellow and
Speaker:they just kind of flowed with their music. And
Speaker:With WordPress, people
Speaker:Are asking me, you know, where do you think it's
Speaker:going? What's the direction of it. And I've, I look
Speaker:at it as even though obviously a huge part of
Speaker:my life. And there is a community that is involved
Speaker:with it. I look at it as just as this
Speaker:tool that's constantly changing and I'm just kind of along
Speaker:for the ride and I change with it. So I
Speaker:don't have not real critical of a change, you know,
Speaker:if something really bugs me or something or, you know,
Speaker:if I saw some direction going in the future that
Speaker:wasn't wouldn't fit my model anymore. Yeah. I would look
Speaker:at it. Okay. What can I do here? What can
Speaker:I change? What can I tweak?
Speaker:How can I pivot? But
Speaker:I don't really. Yeah. It's I don't really know
Speaker:No where it's going, you know, I've tried to figure
Speaker:it out. And maybe that's part of the thing I
Speaker:like about technology is I can't predict when I'm involved
Speaker:with any kind of technology where its going and it
Speaker:kind of surprises me and maybe some change kind of
Speaker:freaks me out a little bit initially like, Oh, I've
Speaker:got to learn this now, but how many times do
Speaker:we had to learn something over and over and over
Speaker:dealing with any kind of technology? So its kind of
Speaker:a non-answer because I don't really know what, what around
Speaker:the corner, because it's constantly changing and there's so many
Speaker:and you kind of look at it from the outside
Speaker:user and then you look at it from this community
Speaker:or that sometimes it has its own little bit of
Speaker:turmoil in it and people are, you know, this is
Speaker:being done that this being done wrong.
Speaker:So I, I just sit back and I, I'm almost
Speaker:like at a movie, you know, I'm just watching what's
Speaker:going on and I wait for the next scene and
Speaker:then, okay, well this was kind of something I didn't
Speaker:expect, but Hey, I'm, I'm here. I'll deal with it.
Speaker:So I don't even know if that's an answer, but
Speaker:that's how I take it. That's my perspective on even
Speaker:where we're going, you know, it, it could change to
Speaker:the point where I'm not interested in it anymore, but
Speaker:I don't really see it. And at the age I
Speaker:am, I'm not really in the mood to change. You
Speaker:either know that.
Speaker:And that's for COVID I know I've used a couple
Speaker:of different e-commerce like WordPress e-commerce plug-ins over there. The
Speaker:last time we have five, six years maybe as I've
Speaker:helped my wife and a couple of people get online
Speaker:stores up and running. And I remember there was a
Speaker:couple of like a car, six to six and E
Speaker:C S w I D D I think it was
Speaker:another one. And they obviously you got digital download, but
Speaker:WooCommerce, it always seems to be the one that stuck
Speaker:around. It's actually an improvised and it expanded Europe to
Speaker:the product line in et cetera. So it will be
Speaker:interesting to see, you know, who knows maybe that will
Speaker:become like a Shopify of WordPress and a half of
Speaker:their self hosted, maybe to do that. Now I'm not
Speaker:sure that I haven't used WooCommerce for a while. Do
Speaker:WooCommerce host sites on their own platform as all of,
Speaker:you know, the, you know,
Speaker:Introduced to it into wordpress.com. So you can install WooCommerce
Speaker:easily on that. Where I don't know at one point
Speaker:they did that, but I think that's a lot of
Speaker:the prediction is that there will be some kind of
Speaker:self hosted WooCommerce platform that we would press does. And
Speaker:to me, you know, if that's the case, I mean,
Speaker:there's some people there are pros and cons. Everybody has
Speaker:an opinion to me, I'm thinking, Hey, you know, that
Speaker:would probably help. A lot of people get online even
Speaker:more and be able to sell online. And, and they're
Speaker:kind of doing baby steps to that already, how they
Speaker:integrate jet pack and different other, you know, onboarding experience
Speaker:and easily, they've just created their own Woo payments and
Speaker:as a gateway, but they are using Stripe.
Speaker:And the reason they're calling it Woo payments is its
Speaker:very easy to do the onboarding experience when you're setting
Speaker:up. If you set it up to the wizard, if
Speaker:you set up Stripe, you've got to go ahead and
Speaker:grab the API and everything like that. Like it would
Speaker:do a PayPal and a lot of instances, but this
Speaker:is you just basically Connect you give The you open
Speaker:up an account on Stripe, through their platform and you're
Speaker:ready to go.
Speaker:That was called us to check that out. Like I
Speaker:say, I have not used WooCommerce for a little bit,
Speaker:but I do have a project coming up that I
Speaker:will need some form, you know, of of a payment
Speaker:gateway payments, drug store. So definitely be checking out a
Speaker:note as someone that's launched between seven and eight podcasts
Speaker:over the last 10 years or longer 15 years, I
Speaker:guess, what would it be? You know, as it was
Speaker:like one piece of advice that you could give a
Speaker:new podcast or if someone even thinking about coming into
Speaker:the Podcast is basis being a blogger or whatever, what
Speaker:would that be?
Speaker:It's kind of a two part and I'll cheat because
Speaker:I'm going to have it too, but I will make
Speaker:them quick. First one is I always tell people, know
Speaker:what the heck you're going in to this for. I
Speaker:mean, why, why are you starting the podcast? And is
Speaker:it meeting those expectations down the road? Do you know
Speaker:reevaluate? And it simply, you know, if you are going,
Speaker:if you're starting a podcast to build your brand to
Speaker:monetize, to just hear yourself talk, you know, if you
Speaker:say, okay, I'm going to start a podcast because I'm
Speaker:going to really enjoy it. This is going to be
Speaker:fun. Well, five episodes down the road, are you still
Speaker:having fun? Are you enjoying it? That's the only reason
Speaker:your podcasting and you have the time and resources to
Speaker:do it then.
Speaker:Great. You, you hit it on the spot, but don't
Speaker:just do it to jump on the bandwagon and you
Speaker:and I have both been through the blogging days where
Speaker:everybody, you know, blogs, Hey, got, everybody's got to have
Speaker:a blog. Everybody's got to have a blog jump on
Speaker:the blogging bandwagon. All of these blogs just started. They
Speaker:get abandoned. Then the same thing happens with podcasts. So,
Speaker:so know that and know your limitations because with all
Speaker:the technical stuff, the post-production, however you decide to do
Speaker:things in producing a podcast, figure out if you're going
Speaker:to have somebody help you or are you going to
Speaker:do it all yourself? Because again, I think that's a
Speaker:big reason. People abandon them.
Speaker:They think it's going to be so easy and they
Speaker:haven't found the right tools or the right work flow
Speaker:to make it easier for them or are they haven't
Speaker:reached out to somebody to maybe do, if they need
Speaker:post-production work. Maybe they need somebody to do that for
Speaker:them rather than them trying to learn audacity or GarageBand
Speaker:or you know, any other AUDIO software. So it's a
Speaker:question of, you know, why are you starting this podcast
Speaker:and decide you are going to put into it as
Speaker:far as resources.
Speaker:And you know, I think that's a great piece of
Speaker:advice. I know I was just checking on five Rode
Speaker:the other week. They are a tape to get some
Speaker:a post-production a specialist's for our, our clients are Podcast
Speaker:because I'm, I don't mean to do my own editing
Speaker:and stuff, but when it comes to a certain, you
Speaker:know, certain qualities that you need, I do not have
Speaker:them. So as you are checking out five and there
Speaker:there's a huge industry there for post production specialists' of
Speaker:podcasts that are what designers show hosts as marketers, people
Speaker:that will market your podcast and help you grow it.
Speaker:So I think that's a great piece of advice. They
Speaker:know your own weakness or your, or your limitations and,
Speaker:you know, outsource to where you can go to the
Speaker:people that can do the stuff that you cannot do.
Speaker:Exactly. And that's it, there's that marketing. Those are other
Speaker:things even thrown into the mix that you really got
Speaker:to look at. You know, this, isn't just getting on
Speaker:there, talking into your microphone, hitting and, and its all
Speaker:done. You know? So yeah, I think that's just knowing
Speaker:what you want to do and what you may need
Speaker:help doing
Speaker:Now just to swing things around a little bit, we'd
Speaker:known each other for a while. We keep sending it
Speaker:out there for people that are either, I don't know
Speaker:you or maybe do you know your pet? Is there
Speaker:something that not a lot of people know about you
Speaker:that may surprise them if they found out out of
Speaker:the newer it, you know, I love, yeah. Oh, okay.
Speaker:So, you know, business-wise, I'll give you a bit a
Speaker:personal on a business wise. Business-wise probly people didn't know
Speaker:we have a marketing company like 17 years, my wife
Speaker:and I, Judy, which you know very well. He had
Speaker:a marketing company for 17 years in a kind of
Speaker:a suburb of Seattle, a good Mount of those years.
Speaker:And when things people didn't know is we were actually,
Speaker:we beat out IKEA in a local business awards, which
Speaker:I Kia wasn't really thrilled with. But if they had
Speaker:the chamber of commerce In are in the town. When
Speaker:we lived, we were up against IKEA in a couple
Speaker:of businesses for community award dumb communities I can say
Speaker:is like a business community business committed to community of
Speaker:the year or something.
Speaker:And we want to turn it over. I can. So
Speaker:we can actually say we won and beat out IKEA.
Speaker:And we actually were in competition with Boeing for another
Speaker:award, which is really odd to think about, but we
Speaker:of course didn't win that one in the us. And
Speaker:on a personal note, maybe the thing that people don't
Speaker:know that my very first entrepreneurial job was driving an
Speaker:ice cream truck. And so that was one of those
Speaker:annoying things to go around and play music all the
Speaker:time. I think people kind of know currently every kind
Speaker:of my personality, but I mean how I am a
Speaker:very much of a passive is a very much of
Speaker:a, a, a low key mellow guy, very accepting water,
Speaker:you know, glass, half full type of guys.
Speaker:So, but yeah, business wise, I think people would know
Speaker:that. And Bobby there's plenty things they don't know about
Speaker:me that there are probably glad they don't know. So
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:That's interesting to hear about IKEA and born and I
Speaker:care special could imagine, you know, the, the Swedish executor,
Speaker:I was pulling their hair out at sea and who's
Speaker:this little mom and pop stores and just take it
Speaker:as a business away. And you know,
Speaker:I mean, we were at the award with Boeing. We
Speaker:were just, and they, again, it was I'm, it was
Speaker:true of the school district and that was businesses are
Speaker:committed to the kids. And we had done a lot
Speaker:with the school district's as far as a lot of
Speaker:helping them support and stuff like that, but it was
Speaker:kind of obvious. We just sat there and thought, you
Speaker:know, this is really funny. They even have both of
Speaker:us competing it to each other because realistically they're we
Speaker:knew that they weren't going to pick us 'cause yeah.
Speaker:It's like Boeing. He had given them, I don't know
Speaker:how many hundreds of thousands of dollars and all this
Speaker:stuff. So it, it was kind of hilarious, but, and
Speaker:then another way it was kinda nice to hear, you
Speaker:know, and these are the finalists Boeing and our company
Speaker:name back then was cat side marketing.
Speaker:And at that, well, we got, I mentioned in the
Speaker:same breath in competition of Boeing, I guess that's a
Speaker:win
Speaker:And that's pretty cool. You've put it on your website,
Speaker:as I mentioned in the same breath as boring. Yeah.
Speaker:Very cool. Mark. And so Bob, this has been an
Speaker:absolute pleasure having you on, I know of the lessons,
Speaker:I was gonna get a lot of, you know, values
Speaker:and takeaways about Podcast and the WooCommerce platform. If you're
Speaker:interested in a, learn more about you or a podcast
Speaker:and our WooCommerce on it, you know, because I know
Speaker:that you do WooCommerce, I believe we do WooCommerce consultant.
Speaker:Correct. Are we commerce training?
Speaker:I don't, I don't know what I, what I've found
Speaker:is that I used to do a little bit of
Speaker:it, but I'm, I'm kind of an expert by osmosis.
Speaker:So I learned from all the people I have on
Speaker:my side, but sometimes I don't really feel like I'm
Speaker:always though, you know, the best fit to give WooCommerce
Speaker:advice specifically on, you know, creating your store and stuff.
Speaker:So I have a nice, a, a team or a
Speaker:band of people that I can refer people to do.
Speaker:So I, I basically just publish in podcasts these days.
Speaker:Okay. So for people that we'd like to do to
Speaker:land more than others, as you mentioned, you can send
Speaker:a referral to relevant, you know, based on Topics or
Speaker:queries, et cetera, where are the best place people can
Speaker:find you online, either a website or social, et cetera,
Speaker:as well.
Speaker:Bob wp.com is a website, and I'm probably most active
Speaker:on Twitter, which is Bob WPP. So if you go
Speaker:to on any social platform, you can search for me
Speaker:there. If I'm there, that's where you're going to find
Speaker:me.
Speaker:Awesome. I'll make sure to drop the, the links to
Speaker:all the, the, the platforms, et cetera, and the show
Speaker:notes. So as mentioned, guys, this has been another episode
Speaker:of a podcast disorders. I really enjoyed having Bob Dunn
Speaker:on the show today. I hope you enjoyed listening to
Speaker:him and make sure to check the show notes for
Speaker:the links out or drop a note. You have to
Speaker:find a job where he lives, but not where he
Speaker:lives, but what if it were to lose some weight
Speaker:and I'm not going to send to people, you know,
Speaker:especially with the social distancing over your house, like crazy
Speaker:at times. Again, thanks for listening guys. If you enjoyed
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