Episode 7
Lisa Gerber of The Gear Show
In episode seven of Podcaster Stories, I sit down with Lisa Gerber, owner of Big Leap Creative and host of The Gear Show.
After making her name as a communications pro and marketer, Lisa decided she wanted to attract more clients in the space - outdoor lifestyle - she was interested most in, and The Gear Show was born.
Talking with the people behind her favourite brands and companies, The Gear Show pivoted somewhat after 10 episodes, to feature more on the people behind the corporate front.
Topics up for discussion this week include:
- How the loss of clients and talking to friends led to the show idea
- How she started the show talking about gear before pivoting
- Why she pivoted to more personal stories behind the gear heads
- How she makes her guests feel comfortable
- Why researching guests makes for a richer experience
- Why Howard Stern's interview technique is what she aims for
- The interviews that have had the most impact on her
- Why new podcasters should just start and not overthink things
- How she won her school's award for a foreign language
Settle back for a fun, engaging chat about following your dreams, and why you should never be afraid to change even when something has been going for a while.
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Transcript
Hi and welcome to Podcaster Stories he made sure we
Speaker:will have a conversation with podcasts that across all mediums
Speaker:and share their story and what motivates them, why they
Speaker:started to show up as a group to show up
Speaker:and more, but also to talk about the personal life
Speaker:and some of the things have happened that made them
Speaker:the person in the afternoon. And now here's your host
Speaker:Danny Brown. Hi guys. Welcome to another episode of Podcaster
Speaker:Stories the show that goes behind the scenes of your
Speaker:favorite podcast and get to know all the people buying
Speaker:devices this week. I've got a guest Lisa Gerber who
Speaker:I think I've probably known for about 10 years, maybe
Speaker:a little bit longer. And similarly, most of my elegance
Speaker:and the
So it's a lot of people I've met through social
Speaker:media and then physically, if, you know, either as a
Speaker:work or personally, et cetera, and this is one of
Speaker:these fine folks that I've known for a long time
Speaker:and, you know, luckily to meet in person. So, Lisa,
Speaker:thank you for coming on the show. How about telling
Speaker:us a little bit about yourself and your podcast?
Speaker:Sure. My name Well. I was going to say my
Speaker:name, but I guess, you know, my name and I
Speaker:work and live here from Sandpoint, Idaho. I have Big
Speaker:Leap Creative so I help businesses do a better job
Speaker:of telling their story to make an emotional connection. And
Speaker:I have a podcast called The Gear Show, which I
Speaker:started. I didn't even know, four years ago. I'd been
Speaker:on a little bit of a hiatus the past couple
Speaker:of months, but I started it to actually get into
Speaker:a market that I've always been very interested in and
Speaker:haven't been able to break into.
Speaker:And that is the outdoor lifestyle market, which is funny
Speaker:because it's something that I love and live. And it
Speaker:was how I started my business. Big Leap Creative as
Speaker:a mountain lifestyle communications company and the clients that came
Speaker:to me, weren't those target clients. So I thought, how
Speaker:can I do this? So I launched this podcast in
Speaker:that I was going to ask about that.
Speaker:'cause obviously you work in marketing and communications and that's,
Speaker:I think that's how we met or one of the
Speaker:ways that we met anyway, but you are sure, as
Speaker:you mentioned is not about Mark and it's about the
Speaker:outdoor lifestyle and you know, I've, I always tell you,
Speaker:I'm not a jealous of where you are and your
Speaker:husband and you are on like this mountain area with
Speaker:a lot of snow skiing in it, et cetera. But
Speaker:what makes you decide to, to go on a, you
Speaker:know, I have a podcast that wasn't about marketing, Percy
Speaker:Big go the direction of the outdoor lifestyle. Was it
Speaker:just like a natural progression of the life that you're
Speaker:living with your husband? Or was it something more different?
Speaker:It was a few things.
Speaker:First of all, I'm the fall, the few months leading
Speaker:up to that, I had had sort of this perfect
Speaker:storm of three really large clients. We finished up their
Speaker:engagement essentially for a variety of reasons. I had three
Speaker:large clients and at, in the same quarter, basically, and
Speaker:my revenue plummeted being a one person show that was,
Speaker:you know, those are the ups and downs that we
Speaker:experience, right? So I had a little extra time on
Speaker:my hands and it was right after the new year,
Speaker:that was actually new year's weekend. And I had a
Speaker:whole bunch of friends visiting for me to go skiing
Speaker:for new year's weekend and how the two of my
Speaker:friends were in the front hall.
Speaker:And they were just, non-stop talking about Gear they were
Speaker:talking about the ski bindings. I could just hear them
Speaker:in the other room, like going back and forth, just
Speaker:like geeking out. And I'm just rolling my eyes, write
Speaker:like, well, these guys are ever shut up. All they
Speaker:talk about the ski is the bindings, the boots, the
Speaker:poles, everything. And then that's kind of when the idea
Speaker:started to formulate, like there's no end to the number
Speaker:of conversations you can have about Gear right. So that's
Speaker:how it started. And then it evolved. So at that
Speaker:moment, I decided I wanted to launch a show called
Speaker:the Gear show and it would be a specifically about
Speaker:Gear.
Speaker:And I actually had, one of my friends was the
Speaker:guest for my first three episodes. Hence why I started
Speaker:getting into, and I did, I dunno, six, 10, or
Speaker:maybe even 15 episodes specific to Gear. But I found
Speaker:that the idea was that all of these Gear companies,
Speaker:you were just talking about Gear, So eventually someone's going
Speaker:to want to hire me, or maybe they're going to
Speaker:want to sponsor the podcast. I don't know what's going
Speaker:to happen with it. Its just, its about something that
Speaker:I love and I'm learning so much, so who cares?
Speaker:What's going to happen? Let's just do it. But after
Speaker:I got into it more and more, I realized that
Speaker:what was really interesting was the stories behind these people.
Speaker:And that was way more fascinating to me. So it
Speaker:evolved and I kept the name of the same and
Speaker:I had just decided that instead of it being about
Speaker:Gear now we're gearing up mentally and physically for our
Speaker:next big leap. It was kind of my line. And
Speaker:then I could talk and get the stories behind the
Speaker:entrepreneurs and the outdoor lifestyle business entrepreneurs. I've spoken with
Speaker:Olympic gold medalists and like the founder of Big Agnes,
Speaker:they made the tents and the sleeping pads and fly
Speaker:low gear and I've had to have all these amazing
Speaker:conversations and really learn how they started their businesses and
Speaker:how they grow up.
Speaker:And they, like, you mentioned, it ties in, you mentioned,
Speaker:it said, you know, get on up. I love the
Speaker:fact that you mentioned is given up to the next
Speaker:big Leap because that talks to both of the brands
Speaker:that you run in, essentially a Big Leap Creative and
Speaker:The Gear, you know, the The Gear shop, which I
Speaker:don't know if you've made that deliberately or is that
Speaker:just, you know, set and I'm going to miss this
Speaker:word up again. And I did for Bob retired as
Speaker:a chat with the other week though. Serendipitously that's the
Speaker:word? Yeah. Did you fall into that? Natural and I'm
Speaker:not even going to try that word again. Are, was
Speaker:it just, you know, what is that something that you
Speaker:thought, you know, getting a big leap plus tied the
Speaker:two together in and make them both a part of
Speaker:the, at the same offering that you thank you.
Speaker:It was definitely by design because the whole idea was
Speaker:I wanted to grow my business in some way, but
Speaker:I also wanted to do this because I love it.
Speaker:So how does this tie in? I wanted it to
Speaker:tie into my business in some way. And when I
Speaker:have evolved, going away from talking about Gear to talking
Speaker:about gearing up, I actually did think about renaming the
Speaker:podcast. And I really actually thought about renaming it to
Speaker:Big Lee per take a big Leap, but decided not
Speaker:to. And who knows? I might still anyway to answer
Speaker:your question, it was by design and since I had
Speaker:evolved and I know a lot of people were saying
Speaker:why don't listen to it because I'm not an outdoor
Speaker:person are I'm not interested in Gear or whatever.
Speaker:So I wanted them to understand that this is not
Speaker:about Gear anymore. Its about gearing up for your, you
Speaker:know, mentally and physically a, you know, we've talked about
Speaker:meditation and we've talked about, Oh, Oh, a bunch of
Speaker:different, you know, what to put in your backpack for
Speaker:a summer weekend, camping trip, that kind of thing.
Speaker:And I think just to your point, I mean, I
Speaker:know you've mentioned some of the names at you bounced
Speaker:off that, you know, a possible rename at a possible
Speaker:rebrand in the take a big a leap. What? I'm
Speaker:not sure if they, if this was like a North
Speaker:American or sorry, a a U K a euphemism or
Speaker:something that I'm going to use, but take her on
Speaker:at home. And if you had that before,
Speaker:Oh that's like take, take off kind of like that.
Speaker:Yeah. You just get lots of you as I was
Speaker:a bit, I was a movie thinking yeah, take a,
Speaker:take a leap of faith.
Speaker:There is, is that when you do come up with
Speaker:a name you want to kind of get some cross-cultural
Speaker:input?
Speaker:Oh for sure. Yeah. Especially, you know, because I, here
Speaker:in Canada it's were very, I likened Why I'm from
Speaker:the UK originally and obviously, but I find that Canadian
Speaker:culture that is very similar to the UK ones. So
Speaker:I love the slang it's similar, but then I still
Speaker:get lost. When I talk about pants has been underwear
Speaker:and then pants in North America is obviously you chose
Speaker:or your genes or something. So a lot of things
Speaker:like that, I still get shipped.
Speaker:I never heard that pants were considered underwear in the
Speaker:UK lexicon. I did not know that.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, exactly. What we were speaking to a guy
Speaker:Mark Asquith who say, who runs a captivate captivate FMB
Speaker:platform among so many other things and he's in the
Speaker:UK. And he was telling me a story pre show
Speaker:about when he was caught with his pants, Darren. And
Speaker:I just thought that was hilarious because they know what
Speaker:he meant by it. So I can, if, if this
Speaker:was, you know, distributed to North America or whatever, it'll
Speaker:be a totally different conversation and vice. So that, and
Speaker:that's what I want to ask you though, because I'd
Speaker:been to listen to your show and you, as you
Speaker:mentioned, it's called The Gear Show, but it's more about
Speaker:the people behind the Gear of the people and, and
Speaker:their personal stories.
Speaker:So as a, as a host, how do you make
Speaker:these people that, you know, that run these big companies
Speaker:are run the, you know, founded on our call or,
Speaker:and, or on the brands that you use, et cetera,
Speaker:how do you make them feel comfortable enough to open
Speaker:up what could be potentially, you know, difficult topics to
Speaker:open up at a time in your life that maybe
Speaker:wasn't so good for them.
Speaker:Interesting. I just try to connect with them from the
Speaker:very beginning. You know, I don't know that I consciously
Speaker:think about it that way, which is why I'm trying.
Speaker:So I think that it's just important to be really
Speaker:conversational. And I think people are really willing to do
Speaker:that. I think that they are just really willing to
Speaker:talk about things if they feel like they in a
Speaker:comfortable and safe place. And I just haven't had that.
Speaker:I haven't ran up against someone who is not really
Speaker:willing And and it's not like we get really, really
Speaker:personal, but they do like to share. And, and, and
Speaker:that's, I think what you're getting at is I'd like
Speaker:to find like that pivotal moment where someone has just
Speaker:like, maybe hit the bottom of a rock bottom that
Speaker:help them to change something or change their life or
Speaker:their business or whatever it is.
Speaker:And I think once people get past it, I think
Speaker:that they are willing to talk about it as long
Speaker:as you can really just, you know, sort of ease
Speaker:into it.
Speaker:That's a podcast or is there like a advice that
Speaker:you would give as a host for? So for someone
Speaker:who wanted to do something similar, for example, and wanted
Speaker:to speak to the people they admire and have them
Speaker:in the show, or do you sort of not sure
Speaker:that relationship for a set amount of time are on
Speaker:a certain way as opposed to having them come on
Speaker:cold, if you like, and then hopefully what you want
Speaker:your process of, of ease in a guest.
Speaker:A great question. I actually, at one time I tried
Speaker:having a pre-conversation with someone and I found that it
Speaker:was way better than the actual recording. And that really
Speaker:bummed me out because I didn't record the pre-conversation and
Speaker:it just felt too candy. And, and I knew some
Speaker:answers from earlier that I wanted to pull out that
Speaker:I wasn't able to. So I decided at that moment,
Speaker:I wasn't gonna do that anymore, that I really liked
Speaker:having these cold conversations, but I do a ton of
Speaker:research, so I would dig it. The other thing is
Speaker:I always send a pre questionnaire with four pretty high-level
Speaker:questions and I sort of, I let the guests know
Speaker:the more time you spend on these questions, the better
Speaker:I am going to be able to, the better the
Speaker:episode will turn out.
Speaker:Basically sometimes I would just get like these one sentence
Speaker:responses and they just really weren't helpful at all. So
Speaker:I would ask four broad questions, none of which are
Speaker:actually questions that I would ask on the podcast, but
Speaker:it just gave me the background that I needed. So
Speaker:for example, what is your proudest accomplishment or, you know,
Speaker:I wish I could, that was one of them. What
Speaker:is your greatest regret? Always the answer to that was
Speaker:I have no regrets. I've always heard it from that
Speaker:program. So I had to change that question and those
Speaker:kinds of things, and then it, it brings out so
Speaker:much backstory on these people. So that then I am
Speaker:able to ask questions that kind of lead into those
Speaker:stories.
Speaker:So I loved when I started doing that, that helped
Speaker:me and my research because if a person didn't have
Speaker:a lot, you know, Googling them, didn't turn up a
Speaker:lot then, and then having this kind of richer context
Speaker:help me. But I would also do as much as
Speaker:I can, you know, on YouTube and just learn as
Speaker:much about that person. One person who really influenced me
Speaker:in the interviewing piece of it, which is really the
Speaker:biggest part of this whole thing, right. Is being able
Speaker:to do a great interview. And I love Howard Stern
Speaker:and his interview capabilities. So I listened to him, I
Speaker:actually read his most recent book and I just think
Speaker:to myself, how would Howard Stern asked this question or
Speaker:what would he say right now, if you listen to
Speaker:some of his, like when he asks, like I'm Chris
Speaker:Martin from Coldplay amazing interview.
Speaker:And he was asking questions that are in the back
Speaker:of my, you know, Oh, I'm curious. And then all
Speaker:of a sudden Howard Stern will ask that question. And
Speaker:I'm like, Oh, it's so good. I want to know
Speaker:the creative process behind how we came up with a,
Speaker:you know, that song, etc. So that was kind of,
Speaker:I've put myself in his shoes.
Speaker:And I think I have a lot of it comes
Speaker:down to, he loves a lot of admiration or respect
Speaker:for your, your topic. You're, you know, the person you're
Speaker:speaking with otherwise, its it's just another job, but it's
Speaker:just another review. It's just another conversation
Speaker:Always came from a selfish place. So I am actually
Speaker:very curious about how, you know, Dan Abrams started fly
Speaker:low gear and how, you know, you ran up to
Speaker:his credit cards, a huge amount and what kind of
Speaker:that must have caused so much anxiety. So when you
Speaker:actually have that curiosity yourself, then you know that others
Speaker:also your not the only one. So it really, it
Speaker:definitely comes from a place of selfishness
Speaker:Too, to your point that it comes up, you know,
Speaker:from a place of self as a nation and you
Speaker:get it to the stage where you guests are comfortable
Speaker:and the, they tell you because of that, they tell
Speaker:you are open up a little bit more than a
Speaker:male, I would say podcast or X or podcast or
Speaker:Why et cetera. How has it been an episode before
Speaker:picking favorites or anything? Cause I know that's, you know,
Speaker:not something you would want to do, but how has
Speaker:it been an episode that stuck with you or resonated
Speaker:with you the most?
Speaker:I would say there are a couple and I'm like,
Speaker:that's such a great question. And the theme as I'm
Speaker:thinking of a few of them or are usually the
Speaker:ones that I didn't expect and they are the ones
Speaker:who gave a really authentic answers, I've spoken to others.
Speaker:I'm like Olympic gold medalist, for example, who are really
Speaker:media savvy. And their response is always felt very, you
Speaker:know, canned or a scripted or to be honest, they
Speaker:have done these interviews on, you know, I try to
Speaker:ask unique questions, but the ones who really wanted to
Speaker:share verbally. Great. And so I'll go back to Dan
Speaker:Abrams, a fly low gear and also Tahoe trail bar
Speaker:founder.
Speaker:That episode was amazing. I felt like I just learned
Speaker:so many things from what he did and from his,
Speaker:you know, he was really willing to share some mistakes
Speaker:that he made and how he learned from them. And
Speaker:it was, I thought those were a specially good episodes
Speaker:because of that.
Speaker:Yeah. And then, like I said, it's because people aren't
Speaker:just, you know, looking at the, the questions that you
Speaker:sent over previously and they already had the PR other
Speaker:agent's head on and they'll get it approved or whatever.
Speaker:Don't know if that's simple. You sure. It sounds are
Speaker:not the same for me, but I just get people
Speaker:in here. Like you, they are just happy to, you
Speaker:know, I'm going to come out and desperate. I want
Speaker:to cut it up. You know, what that meant that
Speaker:piece was getting at is, I mean, obviously you have
Speaker:been a big podcasts for a while now and you've
Speaker:you mentioned how much stand and has interviewed in style.
Speaker:And you know, I know what are the shows that
Speaker:you have and the, the topics you speak about it,
Speaker:you know, you have that relaxed monitor that people are
Speaker:looking into open up, just come back to the question
Speaker:where we are on a topic.
Speaker:We spoke out a lot about how you evolved style
Speaker:or what processed podcasts we could go through to, you
Speaker:know, emulate it. Isn't a piece of advice that you
Speaker:would have for either new podcasts. There are people that
Speaker:enjoy the show. And so, you know what, I want
Speaker:to try something like that.
Speaker:I would say to start to just start and not
Speaker:overthink things. A lot of, I mean, I think the
Speaker:tendency is to try to plan out and to think
Speaker:so term and to get caught in getting the perfect
Speaker:podcast graphic, the perfect name, the perfect description. And like
Speaker:I said, I mean, I evolved after, you know, even
Speaker:six or 10 episodes because I just felt like, you
Speaker:know what, I just want to go on this direction
Speaker:right now. So I think a lot of people don't
Speaker:get started because they want to get at just right
Speaker:from the beginning. And I say it just start and
Speaker:allow it to iterate and evolve from there.
Speaker:No, that's great advice. I mean that, that takes it
Speaker:back to you, I guess anything in life almost, you
Speaker:know, and if you want to be a great salesperson,
Speaker:you are going to start selling crappy products and for
Speaker:a crappy pay and eventually we will learn your trade.
Speaker:And like you said, it's what, you know, been having
Speaker:the ability to pivot and a no know, get to
Speaker:the place where you are really comfortable and you're really
Speaker:passionate about. So yes, I know it started.
Speaker:And on that note I started with just people. I
Speaker:knew like my friend who was visiting, I mean he
Speaker:is a ma a ski Mountaineer. So he was very
Speaker:knowledgeable in the field, but I just started where my
Speaker:comfort level was. And I started talking to friends and
Speaker:local professionals and then I started to build it from
Speaker:there. And, and so to your point, that allowed me
Speaker:to kind of get my comfort level. And then I,
Speaker:I upped it from there. And then I just couldn't
Speaker:believe like the caliber of guests that I was able
Speaker:to get. And then once you get those guests, you
Speaker:can use their name to say, Oh, I've had, you
Speaker:know, so-and-so and so-and-so on my podcast when you're pitching
Speaker:to, to others who haven't heard of your show.
Speaker:If you can imagine someone hadn't heard of my show,
Speaker:like kidding,
Speaker:I know a shock and horror, how dare people. So
Speaker:just to swing around a little bit for people that
Speaker:don't know, if you're having, you know, listened to the
Speaker:Your show yet, and you have to find You what
Speaker:is something that even for people like myself that know
Speaker:you reasonably well, what are some things that would surprise
Speaker:me that they don't currently know?
Speaker:It would be kind of an open book. So I'm
Speaker:trying to think one of the
Speaker:Things I am most proud about,
Speaker:And it was very little known is that I, when
Speaker:I graduated college, I won the award for most academic
Speaker:achievement in a foreign language for French. I was a
Speaker:French major and I had no idea that I was
Speaker:even a contender or I was going to win this
Speaker:award. My, my, my, my advisor was, you know, made
Speaker:sure that I was coming to the awards dinner, which
Speaker:I wasn't even going to go to anyway. So that's
Speaker:my little known thing because it's not really something that
Speaker:I can use in my world these days. And I
Speaker:think it's awesome.
Speaker:Yes. And, and how did that come about? Did you
Speaker:tell? Yeah, I started taking French when I was in
Speaker:fifth grade. I love,
Speaker:I have French. I still love French. I love the
Speaker:country, France. I love everything about it. And M when
Speaker:I was in 10th grade, I was practicing for my
Speaker:French monologue. So we were actually driving to go skiing
Speaker:with my family. I'm in the back seat. My dad
Speaker:is driving to go skiing and I'm practicing in the
Speaker:back seat, my French, a monologue for that Monday at
Speaker:my dad, because he goes, you should, you should go
Speaker:to France some time. And it never even occurred to
Speaker:me to go to France. I don't know why it
Speaker:just didn't. And I got all excited and I said,
Speaker:well, there's actually a summer exchange program this summer. And
Speaker:so that when not in the summer, I was 16.
Speaker:I went, I spent the summer there and ever since
Speaker:I've been going back and forth, in fact, my family
Speaker:from when I was 16, my French sister quote-unquote we,
Speaker:I celebrated my 50th birthday with her in Paris, a
Speaker:gorgeous restaurant. So, yeah.
Speaker:Oh, that's awesome. Yes. And is that where your love
Speaker:of French wine came from? Or did you have that
Speaker:before you turned 16?
Speaker:50 Danny
Speaker:And I said 60. So I was going back to
Speaker:your school. You said 60. I don't find like at
Speaker:the little more relaxed, but the age of when you,
Speaker:you know, the kids can start to get to like
Speaker:a lot of SIPI way in it, you know, and
Speaker:I think that's a good way to take it and
Speaker:it keeps that sort of mystery out of it. And
Speaker:I think avoid a lot of issues later on.
Speaker:Yeah. I don't think they have the problems that we,
Speaker:that we do here with kids. The younger kids are
Speaker:getting drunk and partying. I mean, I know that they
Speaker:do their butt here. You know, they're much more adult
Speaker:about it over there than here, because it's introduced to
Speaker:you at a much younger age and it's not. So
Speaker:like you said, it's not like this really Oh, you
Speaker:know, forbidden thing. So I think I started drinking wine
Speaker:a little bit then I dunno, I didn't really, I
Speaker:worked in the restaurant business in the nineties and that's
Speaker:when I really developed my pallet for a wine.
Speaker:That's a good place to do that, to discover it.
Speaker:So at least they have, for people that haven't found
Speaker:on your show up, or if they're interested in learning
Speaker:more either about your marketing, you know, services or your
Speaker:podcast or the, the, the, the, the people behind the
Speaker:podcast and the kind of Gear, and, and you're out
Speaker:doing 11 because your husband's or a realtor in as
Speaker:well. So you, you know, even, or anything like that,
Speaker:where, where does the best place for people to find
Speaker:you online?
Speaker:People can find me at Big Leap Creative dot com.
Speaker:You'll see the podcast is on a tab there it's
Speaker:also the Gear show.com, which are just directly to the
Speaker:podcast tab on that website. They can learn all about
Speaker:me and my business and the podcast. I am most
Speaker:active on Instagram at Lisa Gerber. And my podcast is
Speaker:on, should be on all podcast channels, your favorite place,
Speaker:listen. And then I would love to hear from people
Speaker:and happy to know what they think and guest ideas
Speaker:and all that kind of thing. I have been have
Speaker:been on hold for a few months, but I'm, I'm
Speaker:putting together a new season and getting ready to do
Speaker:some, some new episodes very soon.
Speaker:Awesome. I'll be sure to drop the, the links to
Speaker:all these places and the show notes, to make sure
Speaker:that you check out the show notes on your listening
Speaker:to the shop. So really appreciate you coming on to
Speaker:the Lisa. And it was nice to catch up. As
Speaker:we mentioned in a pre-show definitely once this whole craziness
Speaker:with the virus is over or back to some form
Speaker:of normality. I think a road trips in order to
Speaker:come out your way with a family in, and just
Speaker:having an amazing, I would love that I would love
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