Episode 26
John Adams on Changing the Conversation Around Dads in the Media
This week, I sit down with John Adams, host of DadPodUK, a fatherhood and family life podcast that shares the different, unique experiences of fatherhood.
John's podcast comes from being a stay-at-home dad for 10 years, and the conversations he's had with other dads around the various challenges they face as dads in an increasingly changing world.
Topics up for discussion this week include:
- how lockdown encouraged him to start the show
- the most emotionally-charged interview he's done to date
- why he wants to change the conversations around dads in the media
- how he and his wife made the decision for John to be a stay-at-home dad
- how his dad blog led to a charity event at Downing Street in London
- why finding guests can be a challenge for him
- why his show is so geared towards breaking down stereotypes
- why we need to be having more discussions about race and ethnicity at home
- how lockdown added extra difficulties for his eldest daughter and her changing school levels
- why he believes Covid will offer positive opportunities for change with this generation
- why he believes flexible working should be available to parents
- how lockdown has enabled a new dynamic at home for his wife
- how he manages difficult conversations as a dad to two daughters
- why he feels fathers are in a strong position to talk to daughters about periods and menstruation
- how different countries can be when it comes to gender equality
- what his plans are for the future of his podcast
- where he sees Clubhouse fitting into the podcast ecosystem
- why he's in no rush to make video podcasts
Join me for an educational chat about fatherhood, fear of becoming invisible, the 21st century family dynamic, and more.
Connect with John:
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Transcript
Hmm, this is a generation. It is never going to
Speaker:work nine to five in an office or workplace, you
Speaker:know, that they, they can just want to hang on.
Speaker:I could be schooled remotely. Why can't, why can't I
Speaker:work remotely? And also the online etiquette skills that these
Speaker:kids are developing are going to be second to none.
Speaker:I was talking to another date about it. See, the
Speaker:day that, you know, with all of the experiences they're
Speaker:getting, there are probably going to be better than the
Speaker:most adults or a meat. You know, that those kids
Speaker:that had just left the university, the spent so much
Speaker:time online, this is just what they do.
Speaker:Hi and welcome to Podcaster. Stories each episode we will
Speaker:have a conversation with Podcast is from across the globe
Speaker:and share their story. What motivates them by the start
Speaker:to the show are the crucial And More will also
Speaker:talk about their personal lives and some of the things
Speaker:that have happened to have made them the person they
Speaker:are today. And now here's your host Danny Brown hi,
Speaker:and welcome to Podcaster. Stories where we get to meet
Speaker:the people behind the voices of the show is we
Speaker:will listen to this weak. I'm talking to John Adams
Speaker:who's host of DadPodUK the UK, a fatherhood and family
Speaker:life podcast that shares the different unique experiences of fatherhood.
Speaker:John welcome to the show you, how about you introduce
Speaker:yourself and tell us a bit about your podcast.
Speaker:Well, hi, Danny well, first of all, thanks for having
Speaker:me on the, on your podcast. So DadPodUK, CA, I
Speaker:launched it towards the end of 2020. I'd been meaning
Speaker:to, to launch a podcast for a little while. And
Speaker:as you say, it is a, it's an audio podcast.
Speaker:Audio only. I prefer them that way myself. And what
Speaker:I do is I speak to a different father in
Speaker:each episode. And I do go out and out of
Speaker:my way to try and interview fathers who have got
Speaker:a particular experience or story to tell you their opinion.
Speaker:So the sorts of individuals I have interviewed so far,
Speaker:it was a chap called Lee sands, who is actually
Speaker:a stepdad.
Speaker:Then I'll talk about that in a bit more in
Speaker:a moment, but I also have also spoken to a
Speaker:chap called Ryan who is not only in a same-sex
Speaker:relationship, but also an adoptive father. So the various different
Speaker:angles. When, when I spoke to him, I spoken to
Speaker:a guy who guy called David break spear. That was
Speaker:a fascinating interview. Now he had spent much of his
Speaker:adult life in prison. So it actually missed a lot
Speaker:of his children growing up. So getting to learn about
Speaker:the impact on family life, when dad was incarcerated was
Speaker:fascinating.
Speaker:And, and the person that I've most recently spoken to,
Speaker:which is probably the most emotionally charged interview I've done
Speaker:to date with, with a guy called Dan white, who
Speaker:has a daughter with a number of different disabilities. And
Speaker:we spoke about what it's like to raise a disabled
Speaker:child. And, and, and the feedback I've had in that
Speaker:episode is that some people actually find it quite hard
Speaker:listening, because Dan was just so candid about the challenges
Speaker:that he has to the point where he just admitted
Speaker:as a, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm on anti-depressants and
Speaker:obviously I've checked with him before or after that. You
Speaker:happy for this to, to be included in the podcast,
Speaker:but he was very happy with that. So it's just,
Speaker:for me, it's just a fascinating, Dads tend to be
Speaker:presented in the media as quite two D characters.
Speaker:And yet actually you, haven't got to scratch too far
Speaker:under the surface to find out that essentially, every man
Speaker:who is a father, he has this unique story behind
Speaker:him. And I'm not saying that that doesn't apply to
Speaker:mother's as well. I'm in every mother who has got
Speaker:their own stories, just, you know, in my own background
Speaker:is, is, you know, I don't have a dad myself.
Speaker:And my background is a as originally a blogger looking
Speaker:at fatherhood. So I'm, I was just keen to shine
Speaker:the light on the, on all the different experiences and,
Speaker:and types of fathers that are out there.
Speaker:And you had mentioned that you're a blogger. I know
Speaker:you have your actual.blog UK, or at least at that
Speaker:point, you, kate.com has been gone for about eight years
Speaker:now. And I believe as you mentioned a podcast or
Speaker:since the late last year, so it was the, podcast's
Speaker:like a natural evolution of the next stage of the
Speaker:blog, or what was the, how, how did you come
Speaker:up with the show idea on top of the blog
Speaker:then?
Speaker:Yeah, I know that that's a really good question. I
Speaker:started when I have to really go back a little
Speaker:bit further than that, because I essentially to cut a
Speaker:long story. Short, became a stay at home, dad, my
Speaker:wife with my wife and I had a very brutally
Speaker:practical decision that she had more, only potential. So I
Speaker:would give up my role and concentrate on family and
Speaker:home. And we had a blazing Rowe, you know, sort
Speaker:of pick up on your own Scottish accent there Danny
Speaker:he had a blazing, her own pizza expressing Glasgow, but
Speaker:she eventually actually realized that this is not a bad
Speaker:idea.
Speaker:And so I became a stay at home. Dad. I
Speaker:did that for about a year, and I've just noticed
Speaker:it with all these, I face a lot of casual
Speaker:sexism. The world is basically not set up to accept
Speaker:that men can be caregivers, two children, and it's a
Speaker:very lonely experience. And I faced a number of, as
Speaker:I say, sexist experiences, and I started blogging about it.
Speaker:And initially it was quite Randy. If I can be
Speaker:honest though, it was some way to, to get my
Speaker:feelings off my chest and to my mates and people
Speaker:are actually started reading What.
Speaker:I was put in together and I sent myself a
Speaker:limit. I said, if in three I've achieved nothing, I'm
Speaker:gonna stop in this blogging. I didn't say what those
Speaker:achievements should be, or just in three months, if I
Speaker:haven't and I will. And to my amazement, within three
Speaker:months, I found myself at a charity reception at number
Speaker:10 Downing street, which of course is the, the, the,
Speaker:the UK residents of have the prime minister whose name
Speaker:we won't mention. And I've realized it was sort of
Speaker:you, you know, they're having achieved that in that space
Speaker:on my room. So it was really honest with me.
Speaker:So I kept doing it and the, the blog grew
Speaker:and that I can just get to be a big
Speaker:head that if I say too much about it, it,
Speaker:it was one of the few wards along the way.
Speaker:And it has taken me from everywhere from Canada in
Speaker:the West end to Australia or in the East and
Speaker:various places in between. And it's been the most amazing
Speaker:experience. But over the past two or three years, I
Speaker:have increasingly got listening to podcasts. And I would very
Speaker:often listened to podcasts while doing the housework, which I
Speaker:think is partly why I prefer Audio podcasts, because it's
Speaker:easier to put them on a speaker or headphones as
Speaker:you, as you're working. And I just thought, you know,
Speaker:I have a really fancy giving this a go because
Speaker:I used to be a juror and that I still
Speaker:got a bit of broadcast media experience anyway. Oh, you
Speaker:do you know, I'm, I'm gonna try this.
Speaker:I do actually have an agent that gets me work
Speaker:for my, for my blog in my agents. Weren't particularly
Speaker:keen on me starting a podcast. Now I'm gonna get
Speaker:in trouble for admitting that. And now all the time
Speaker:that they don't listen, sorry, B and K. And, but
Speaker:yeah, I thought I was going to give this a
Speaker:shot. And I think ultimately I think what it was,
Speaker:you know, a lockdown happened and, you know, everybody had
Speaker:these crazy ideas didn't, they drew knocked down through our
Speaker:I'm gonna do something new. So I started, I started
Speaker:the podcast and it has gone off in, so I
Speaker:have an idea of a sort of interviewing that was,
Speaker:and I thought, I don't really make it a mini
Speaker:series a, but actually I really loved it. I really
Speaker:enjoyed it. And I'm sticking with it. And I am
Speaker:going to be producing regular, regular episodes going forward.
Speaker:As you mentioned it earlier, or you've had a wide
Speaker:variety, obviously the old Dads, but we have a wide
Speaker:variety of experience and still have to tell, and you
Speaker:had mentioned it Yourself, you know what? It's like, you're
Speaker:in a stepfather and the challenge of same-sex here in
Speaker:town. And obviously if there was a recent, One what
Speaker:it means to be a black dad and a very
Speaker:privileged society, there is not set up for, you know,
Speaker:people of color. And in general, how did you go
Speaker:about finding guests? And, and what's a process of what
Speaker:stories do you want to share on the podcast?
Speaker:All right. Danny I have to say, actually that is
Speaker:a, that is quite a challenge because I know, I
Speaker:guess it's almost a lesson I learnt through blogging. I
Speaker:have a regular series on my blog called the blogger,
Speaker:UK Q and a, and where I interview people who
Speaker:have an interesting opinion or some expertise in the field
Speaker:of families or health, actually, I keep it sorta limited
Speaker:to those too, and try and I I learned in
Speaker:it. So you can be approached by Pro people who
Speaker:want to push that the clients, and they have been
Speaker:one or two interviews I did for the day blog,
Speaker:M U K Q and a half a year here
Speaker:is where the people I interviewed didn't actually turn out
Speaker:to be that great.
Speaker:So where would the Podcast I do actually take a
Speaker:lot of time and effort to get the right guest.
Speaker:I'm the editor. So do you just mentioned, there were
Speaker:I interviewed Elliot RE about being a, a black father
Speaker:within the UK. Hi, I'm Elliott. And I know we,
Speaker:we know each other in any way, the way he
Speaker:runs a, a, a sort of father, the network wouldn't
Speaker:use it as a football fatherhood. I do check it
Speaker:out as she did it. It's, it's a very good,
Speaker:or the music of football fatherhood. Ear a solely open
Speaker:to a ethnic minority communities.
Speaker:It, a user base has about 60% a year now
Speaker:from ethnic minorities and Elliot himself as a diversity and
Speaker:inclusion specialist. So he was ideal for this. So I
Speaker:was very lucky the 82 to agree to do it.
Speaker:The, the, the, the one that I took me ages
Speaker:to actually find a father, he would speak to, to
Speaker:me, was the interview with David spur break spear, who
Speaker:was the dad who had been in prison. I couldn't
Speaker:get charities who would agree to it. And of course,
Speaker:serving inmates can't have any contact with the media. So
Speaker:they were off the hook, the record, or, or they
Speaker:were off, off the menu. So that took me ages.
Speaker:And actually they are gone through all sorts of channels
Speaker:via LinkedIn, 10, trying to Contact reformed criminals and so
Speaker:on and so forth.
Speaker:And eventually I know there was something that I haven't
Speaker:done it, I've just done a quick Twitter search and
Speaker:sure enough, David came up and I messaged him and
Speaker:he was, he was good to go, but it took
Speaker:me ages to actually reach that point. But I, I
Speaker:am a fussy, there'll be one or two where I've
Speaker:had to turn down all, you know, not recorded them.
Speaker:But I don't know. I think it's because I'm so
Speaker:fast, but what I'm going in with it. So I've
Speaker:got a very, you could put a meter coming up.
Speaker:I've got an interview with a dad whose child was
Speaker:conceived via IVF. One that I'm really looking forward to,
Speaker:although it may be very, very niche is I'm going
Speaker:to be interviewing a, a dad who his wife is
Speaker:actually quite a senior cleric in the church of England.
Speaker:Because just, you know, you, there are all these stereotypes
Speaker:about the Vicar's wife, but what's it like if the
Speaker:roll is reversed. So for the, for North American audience,
Speaker:is there a vicar, a priest, right. You know, there
Speaker:are so, yeah, I, I think that that will be
Speaker:quite an interesting one. So it's, it's a case of
Speaker:coming out a sort of slightly off beat may be
Speaker:interesting, you know, just, just coming up with those who
Speaker:aren't very often interviewed
Speaker:And I can imagine as well, because of the, sometimes
Speaker:the topics that you're talking about, but as you mentioned,
Speaker:that they can get very raw and emotional. How have
Speaker:you found that there's been any topics that Dads don't
Speaker:want to talk about on the show or that have
Speaker:been pretty good so far?
Speaker:No, there, there have been pretty good so far in,
Speaker:in terms of rural and emotional, the one standard interview
Speaker:where there's Dan white, who is who, who has Emily.
Speaker:He has his daughter who's in, it has some, some
Speaker:disability, but the other one was actually a guy called
Speaker:Dr. Robin Hadley, who is the only non father who
Speaker:I've interviewed. No, I interviewed him because he is involuntary
Speaker:childless. He is always wanted children, but circumstances meant that
Speaker:it has never happened. And he's now in his sixties.
Speaker:And he's actually turned to the study of involuntarily. Childless
Speaker:may turn into an, into his own academic research or
Speaker:show me that she is seen to a field of
Speaker:academic research.
Speaker:And that, that was very emotional. I mean, Robin has
Speaker:got quite a track record or speaking to the Media,
Speaker:so I didn't expect it to be any problems, but
Speaker:no, I have, I haven't, as of yet come across
Speaker:anyone, who's just refuse to talk about this subject or,
Speaker:you know, they have agreed to them. And I think
Speaker:that's partly, partly because like I say, I'm very fussy
Speaker:and that I vet people and I'm, I briefed him
Speaker:as well. You know, I will say, I'm gonna ask
Speaker:you X, Y and Zed. You know, I know what
Speaker:I want to get out of the Podcast. I should
Speaker:add where it has the most of the time I
Speaker:used to be a journalist. So I'm quite used to
Speaker:asking the questions
Speaker:And also I've got a great research schools as well.
Speaker:So that's kind of, that's always a kind of help.
Speaker:So obviously you mentioned it earlier that made, you made
Speaker:the decision to be the stay at home dad for
Speaker:your two kids and your gas or Dads himself. So
Speaker:is there anything that you've taken from your guests experience
Speaker:that you've sort of implemented into your own teaching? Are
Speaker:you now, or is in your own, your own kids?
Speaker:The interview with Elliot RE the, the, the book about
Speaker:his experiences is a black father. It did get me
Speaker:thinking about whether we should be having more discussions about
Speaker:race and ethnicity at home. And my, we are in
Speaker:a white family and I've got all sorts of all
Speaker:of you. My, my background is incredibly mixed as that
Speaker:happens, but I am a, I am a White, but
Speaker:listening to what Elliott had to say on the subject
Speaker:did just, it, it got me thinking, the actually we
Speaker:liked to think we're living with in the same planet
Speaker:at the same country in having similar experiences.
Speaker:But it actually went when Elliot was saying he he's
Speaker:walking around shop and he knows he is being followed
Speaker:by the security staff because of the color of his
Speaker:skin. And he has to worry about how his daughter
Speaker:is spoken to, and that he wouldn't want to live
Speaker:in that exclusively. Why is community? Because he would want
Speaker:to live and, and make sure that there were people
Speaker:around him who had had the similar life experiences. It
Speaker:just sort of got me, it made me sort of
Speaker:realize just how different actually our life experiences can be,
Speaker:and that this should be shared with my children. So
Speaker:that is something that I have taken away at a
Speaker:greater exploration of a race, ethnicity, ethnicity, And, and having
Speaker:a greater understanding.
Speaker:And, and I certainly mean the discussion. And you mentioned
Speaker:about RE should always be the top of my mind,
Speaker:but I think in, in the UK at the moment
Speaker:of the racial abuse, It sports stars are going through
Speaker:some of the football player's that they send the papers.
Speaker:But again, you know, like Marcus Rashford did a great
Speaker:thing also with a a hundred kids and making sure
Speaker:that there was a movement to feed hundred kids, and
Speaker:he still got abused because of that. So when it
Speaker:shouldn't be involved, because it is the wrong call and
Speaker:you think really, you just can't put your head to
Speaker:that, that mindset.
Speaker:No, you can't do it. And especially when you, you
Speaker:don't, you know, Marcus Rashford has made it made no
Speaker:secret about his background, either in a single-parent family with
Speaker:a w w with a mom who has struggled. I
Speaker:did it, you know, it clearly he did an exceptionally
Speaker:good job, but I don't think there is any equipment
Speaker:look at the individual she raised, but, you know, your
Speaker:rights w I mean, he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker:It, he lived in it
Speaker:One, imagine you'd mentioned LLI as we were speaking, and
Speaker:then the green room, or you're under, what will it
Speaker:be at the same? We are under locked on at
Speaker:the moment. How has that been deaf? What difference is
Speaker:that know brought to the day that the sort of
Speaker:let me get my teeth. And what difference is is
Speaker:that we get to the dynamic of raising your kids
Speaker:under, you know, what's been going on, I guess, and
Speaker:the last 12 months or so.
Speaker:Oh, a dreary and really at wit's end now, well,
Speaker:at the situation in the UK, we, as a family
Speaker:who has an added complication in that our oldest daughter,
Speaker:Hellen, who is 11, we started secondary school or a
Speaker:high school. I was, I guess you could probably call
Speaker:it in, in, in North America. So she's left a,
Speaker:what would you call it? An elementary school? Primary school
Speaker:in the elementary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she she's left
Speaker:that environment and to go to secondary school, but of
Speaker:course that the schools in Britain was shut down towards
Speaker:the end of March last year.
Speaker:So her primary school, we thought her primary schooling had
Speaker:just come to an end in March. And he thought
Speaker:that that was it. In fact, in the way that
Speaker:they, the certain age groups were cherry picked and did
Speaker:actually return to school for one months of schooling during
Speaker:the month of June. And Helen's a year group was
Speaker:one of them. So she had several months of have
Speaker:what was at that time, actually homeschooling. Well, I had
Speaker:to move my, my computer down onto the dining room
Speaker:table. And I had to sit down with both my
Speaker:daughters and we did the, the tasks at the school
Speaker:set.
Speaker:They very rarely lasted the whole school day, but, and
Speaker:it was very much kind of a, it, it was
Speaker:really thrown together at speed. I mean, they actually, by
Speaker:daughters' school was, it was one of the better ones,
Speaker:but it was things were throwing together at, at speed.
Speaker:So she's face the challenge of starting secondary school having
Speaker:had that end to her, her elementary school years. But
Speaker:she had gone to, to, to the secondary school, having
Speaker:to abide by one way systems having to wear face
Speaker:masks with certain groups of pupils at certain times, having
Speaker:to be removed from school and being ordered to spend
Speaker:two weeks at home.
Speaker:There's been no after school activities and their sports activities.
Speaker:And my, for my youngest daughter, she didn't return to
Speaker:school again until September. So she has gone up a
Speaker:school year having not really finished the previous school year.
Speaker:And then it was just essentially from December and the
Speaker:school's closed down from the Christmas holidays. They haven't reopened
Speaker:since, but they've gone to remote school in this time.
Speaker:And this time there are Mo and I use that
Speaker:term specifically because this time there were alive lessons and
Speaker:there was much more interaction with, with their class and
Speaker:they're teachers.
Speaker:And they had the head teachers and its a much
Speaker:more structured school day and the kids are actually getting
Speaker:some learning out of it. I mean it's no, it's
Speaker:not, it doesn't replicate what they should be doing it
Speaker:at school. But that's been in a situation since December.
Speaker:Really my concern isn't actually so much for how much
Speaker:they were going to miss academically. My concern is that
Speaker:the impact on their social development, 'cause the added thing.
Speaker:And I don't know how the, the, the, the lockdown
Speaker:is over there Danny but over here are basically since
Speaker:December and everything has been shot. So all non-essential retail
Speaker:has been shot.
Speaker:You cannot meet with your neighbors. You can go to
Speaker:the supermarket to buy clothes a lot. So you can
Speaker:go to a supermarket of, but you don't go to
Speaker:see my most of my clothes go to see the
Speaker:market to buy food, but the kids can't see their
Speaker:friends. They can't make sure that their friends are coming
Speaker:out with their family. We can go out and exercise,
Speaker:but that's all you were allowed to do. And my
Speaker:real concern is how their, their social development, what impact
Speaker:this is having on their, on their social development. And
Speaker:in fact, my youngest daughter said to me that the
Speaker:day that she wishes she could get a time machine
Speaker:so that she could go forward and just skip the
Speaker:Corona You years, what's left with them.
Speaker:And I think one thing that I don't know, obviously,
Speaker:no, what, what message you were being given out there
Speaker:in Canada, but Corona virus is a virus we've seen
Speaker:several variants come up already where the vaccines that are
Speaker:being rolled out will provide some protection tool, but in
Speaker:not necessarily, I think we were having to prepare for
Speaker:the fact that this is a disease and possibly the
Speaker:first we are experiencing in the Western world where we
Speaker:are not getting rid of it and having Corona virus
Speaker:testing kits in the family medicine cupboard is going to
Speaker:be as common as plasters and skin healing cream and
Speaker:cold remedies.
Speaker:And that's gonna be the future. And it's a brighter
Speaker:future. Once, once we have all been vaccinated, but it
Speaker:ain't going away, it's a disease, we've got to live
Speaker:with it. And so I know the skills that go
Speaker:back to the school year. So we'll mix again, but
Speaker:we are not getting rid of it. I don't think
Speaker:No, no. And that's an interesting point. You mentioned about
Speaker:the, the social aspect, our son he's 11. So same
Speaker:as usual a urologist. And he is very much a
Speaker:social butterfly. So he likes to go out and play
Speaker:football and you're like steam mixed with his friends and
Speaker:he's on a football rep football team over here. And
Speaker:he's missed all that because we were under the same
Speaker:lockdown instructions that are under and were sitting there impact
Speaker:on him. You know, he is he's real to become
Speaker:more prone to out person stuff. And it is not
Speaker:like that. Or, you know, so I completely agree with
Speaker:this. I think when we look back in years to
Speaker:come, there is definitely going to be a huge spike
Speaker:in say mental health issues are, you know, there are
Speaker:the social aspect on the kids are trying to go
Speaker:through this.
Speaker:There is a, it is going to, it is a
Speaker:huge worry. On the other hand, I have of unfortunate,
Speaker:not being able to put this into my podcast and
Speaker:in a suitable way yet, but it will happen, but
Speaker:I have put it on my blog and there's a
Speaker:lot of focus and quite rightly on the negative aspects
Speaker:of, of Covid. We all know people who have had
Speaker:it and had it very badly. And, and, and I'm
Speaker:sure some listeners were, unfortunately, people who have passed away,
Speaker:I got it got long Covid and so on, but
Speaker:I do predict this is going to be a fascinating
Speaker:generation to watch because there for my own education is
Speaker:getting the life pummeled out of it, but they aren't
Speaker:getting the most fascinating in formal education in, you know,
Speaker:I don't know what you're done with your kid's Danny,
Speaker:but I'm getting my kids to use the washing machine,
Speaker:the tumble dryer, and, you know, getting into the cooking
Speaker:and baking and their getting a lesson in resilience, tolerance,
Speaker:understanding, and also a, when they're doing their remote learning,
Speaker:you know, this, you got to think about it.
Speaker:You've got this generation of kids from the age of
Speaker:like four to sort of 20 to 23 university age,
Speaker:who of all, and they've now had two academic years
Speaker:punctuated with huge spells of remote learning. This is the
Speaker:generation that is never going to work nine to five
Speaker:in an office or workplace, you know, that they just
Speaker:want to hang on. It can be schooled remotely. Why
Speaker:can't I, why can't I work remote? And also the
Speaker:online etiquette skills that these kids are developing are going
Speaker:to be second to none. I was told to know
Speaker:the data about it to you the day that the,
Speaker:you know, th with all the experiences they are getting
Speaker:there, probably going to be better than the most adults
Speaker:or a meat.
Speaker:You know, that those kids who have just left the
Speaker:university, they spent so much time online. This is just
Speaker:what they do.
Speaker:That's a great point. You raise about the, the remote
Speaker:and what the generation is going to be. Like I
Speaker:know here in Canada, there was a huge discussion at
Speaker:the moment about universal basic income and enabling people to
Speaker:be ready for something like this. So they can stay
Speaker:at home and, you know, bring the virus spread down
Speaker:because they were at home so that they do not
Speaker:have to go to work sick, or they're not to
Speaker:go to school sick, because I know what we are
Speaker:as parents, we could be guilty of sending kids to
Speaker:school with a runny nose when really they should be
Speaker:at home so that the not making any money off
Speaker:sick. So it's gonna be like you say, well, that's
Speaker:a great point about what's, what's the, the benefits of
Speaker:the society as a whole, from this, what, what are
Speaker:we gonna take from the lesson's as we move forward.
Speaker:I'm really glad to hear that having that conversation in
Speaker:Canada, that the Irish we're having a similar conversation. And
Speaker:unfortunately the government in the UK, I don't know if
Speaker:I've hidden this well so far, but I've got very
Speaker:little time for the, the, the, the one concern seems
Speaker:to be, to forcing people back to the office that
Speaker:they'll buy sandwiches and keep major sandwich retailers alive. Actually,
Speaker:I see, great. Danny, we've gotten way off topic regarding
Speaker:the podcast, but I actually, this is a huge, I'm
Speaker:one of the things I do I'm actually involved with,
Speaker:with LinkedIn as a change maker. One of the things
Speaker:I'm involved in the campaigning for is to make flexible,
Speaker:working more available to anybody, with caring responsibilities.
Speaker:And one of the points I've made with my campaigning
Speaker:work with LinkedIn is, is it a different situation than
Speaker:Canada, but in the UK, obviously we've got a much
Speaker:more compact population base where people commute into the cities
Speaker:every day to work well with COVID with people working
Speaker:from home and people not wanting to go back to
Speaker:work in the city is five days a week. We've
Speaker:got this opportunity to actually take these businesses and to
Speaker:relocate all, to have small, independent businesses open up in
Speaker:the provinces where people that are actually working on at
Speaker:home so that you can work on at home, you
Speaker:can go to your local coffee shop instead of having
Speaker:to buy a Starbucks.
Speaker:You can buy a snake from a family, run business,
Speaker:you know, the long-term possibilities, or, you know, that I
Speaker:think some good can come out of it. So it's
Speaker:obviously, it's, it's a tragedy for us, for the many,
Speaker:many people who were involved, who have fallen ill with
Speaker:Covid. But that, that there are some good could come
Speaker:out of this.
Speaker:So you mentioned to get back to the topic because
Speaker:you did, so that will hold up. So that was
Speaker:my fault. So I, for drifting you off there, you
Speaker:had mentioned it, obviously, if you have been a stay
Speaker:at home dad for 10 years, and what, what do
Speaker:you, what did you find? How have you found that
Speaker:the fact that because of the lockdowns, you've had more
Speaker:quality time to be involved with your daughter's and what
Speaker:they were learning from a lifer point of view, as
Speaker:opposed to a window we're going to school regularly, and
Speaker:then coming back. So you were seeing them maybe less
Speaker:in June the day, what it is now you're seeing
Speaker:them, or what's, how has that benefited you yourself as
Speaker:a, as a dad
Speaker:W right. I'm going to probably totally confused you here
Speaker:and say for me, it hasn't, but for my wife,
Speaker:Amy has been a huge change. Actually 'cause my wife
Speaker:would leave the house to sort of half six in
Speaker:the morning. She'd get back at about seven o'clock at
Speaker:night, normally prior to, to Covid. But for the past
Speaker:year, she has been working from home. So actually, when
Speaker:the kids have been going to school, she has been
Speaker:around in the mornings to help me get them ready.
Speaker:And she has been around in the evenings to help
Speaker:them with, with school work.
Speaker:And we have a done more activity's as a family,
Speaker:within locked down rules, which had the minute, it means
Speaker:we can actually do much more than go out for
Speaker:a walk together. But that has happened pretty much every,
Speaker:you know, every day. So for my wife, Jill, she's
Speaker:got to spend a lot more time with the kids.
Speaker:I suppose, if I were to get all deep and
Speaker:meaningful about this, I think what I have taken away
Speaker:from this is I could, should, and am relaxing a
Speaker:bit more with the kids, I guess I'd possibly, I
Speaker:always felt under pressure that every activity should be education
Speaker:or, or every activity should be.
Speaker:Yeah. Let's just say for your activity, activities should be
Speaker:educational when actually, no, it doesn't have to be. And
Speaker:yes, I will cook my kids pancakes every day for
Speaker:breakfast while I can. 'cause why not? Why not? I'm
Speaker:not going to get the chance to do this anymore.
Speaker:They want, they want them. It's been a bit of
Speaker:fun. Actually. We waste a lot less milk as a
Speaker:family in cakes compared to the breakfast cereal.
Speaker:What about my, daughter's got some pancakes on to go
Speaker:upstairs, but she's here. So this is the first time
Speaker:I've actually gone back to your point about, you know,
Speaker:learning life lessons and she's eight or nine, you know
Speaker:what she is? She's nine. Now she took on the
Speaker:name of this month about me. So she's, she is
Speaker:making pancakes that you have, you've got two daughters. And
Speaker:you had mentioned earlier about the, the same sex parent
Speaker:guests from, from your shore. How how's your day, if
Speaker:you've got a boy and a girl saw, what we
Speaker:were trying to do is we were trying to be
Speaker:gender neutral and there is no pink for girls blue
Speaker:for boys, all that kinda stuff. And we try to,
Speaker:you know, knock them on the head of it. It
Speaker:comes up in the TV or whatever. How has that
Speaker:been for, for yourself as a father to two girls
Speaker:as these, these kind of conversations that have come up
Speaker:or,
Speaker:And they do? I'm an interestingly I have is when
Speaker:the kids were younger on a couple of occasions, I
Speaker:took them both to one side and sort of had
Speaker:to say to, you do realize that you come from
Speaker:quiet, a, a, a, a unique, which is probably not
Speaker:the word I used, but when you, you come from
Speaker:quite a rare family in that, you've got a mummy
Speaker:who goes out to work every single day. And you've
Speaker:got me at home doing everything for you, you know,
Speaker:have you got any concerns over that? And I now
Speaker:remember having that conversation with my eldest at one point,
Speaker:he was, he knew him any concerns, any questions. And
Speaker:she looked at me and she said, yeah, can I
Speaker:have some chocolate? And, you know, they, they just see
Speaker:it, that sort of thing, or they just see through
Speaker:these things.
Speaker:Interestingly, they, my two daughters are slightly different in approach.
Speaker:My eldest daughter will question that type of thing as
Speaker:she comes across it, or, you know, she comes across
Speaker:the sexism in any form, or she does have a
Speaker:nice, and she does. So the question in my youngest
Speaker:daughter, Izzy, not so much. Umm, but that said, I
Speaker:think that there is something to be said for B
Speaker:having a father as a main carer. I mean, I
Speaker:had someone did actually one say to me and I've,
Speaker:I've never actually got around to referencing this, which I
Speaker:would like to do. But the girls who have a
Speaker:father as main carer are apparently more confident.
Speaker:And the, the, the, the logic is so I'm told
Speaker:that men are raised to be risk-takers. It's what happens
Speaker:in your childhood, that your mother and your father raised
Speaker:to, to, to, to take risks. And then you as
Speaker:a man is a MaineCare for your children. You them
Speaker:pass it on to your daughter's. So they are to
Speaker:put it, to put it bluntly. They take a slightly
Speaker:more masculine look on the world and they react to
Speaker:it accordingly. And I think that's possibly what's happened with
Speaker:my kids. And I'm not saying, I agree, I agree
Speaker:with that, but I'm not saying that's right. And it
Speaker:says an awful lot about our expectations of gender and
Speaker:how we raise children.
Speaker:So I'm not saying it's wrong that it should work
Speaker:that way, but if my kids are gonna benefit from
Speaker:it, I let that be. You know, that's a great,
Speaker:as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker:Okay. And obviously you've got a, an Asian man, you
Speaker:got an older daughter whose now in high school at
Speaker:the secondary school, I can try to remember in the
Speaker:UK to that I have been away for that long
Speaker:don't apologize and getting closer to becoming a teenager. How
Speaker:is that? Has there been any changes that you have
Speaker:seen in, how are you approaching that? And a difficult
Speaker:conversation is coming up?
Speaker:Oh, well I've had the ad some difficult conversations already.
Speaker:And I have noticed that there is that it's difficult,
Speaker:you know, that it is an interesting thing. They have
Speaker:done it. How much of this is locked down and
Speaker:how much of this is growing up? I don't know.
Speaker:I have noticed with, with the oldest that there has
Speaker:been a change in mood and temperament, and it's quite
Speaker:a bit to say, as I say, it's quite difficult
Speaker:to know how much of that is down to two
Speaker:months of tolerating, this infernal lockdown and how much of
Speaker:it is just growing up an age and naturally striking
Speaker:out for independence. I don't know. But yes, there have
Speaker:been, there have been changes and yes, there were all
Speaker:manner of conversations that have been hard.
Speaker:But I do, I have to say that one of
Speaker:the things that I'm always very and I push her
Speaker:quite hard as it is. I th I think that
Speaker:awkward conversations, whether it be about menstruation, sex, puberty, whatever,
Speaker:I'm a firm believer that they should start at home
Speaker:and at school should meet him, fill in the gaps.
Speaker:Yeah. I would say for sure, it was like, I
Speaker:know we are trying to have the conversation is like
Speaker:you say, by the end and try not to make
Speaker:it to your point about it. Mom, who just wants
Speaker:to speak to there, that the doctor and dad, he
Speaker:just wants to speak to the son about these things
Speaker:and try to make it a mixed, you know, our
Speaker:next conversation. And, and, and that's such a key thing,
Speaker:like you say, you know, to, to make sure that
Speaker:the confidence as they are on, on all sides.
Speaker:Oh yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. And one of the things
Speaker:I would always say is as you, when it comes
Speaker:to having an awkward with children, and I'm the one,
Speaker:the one example I would give, and I do apologize
Speaker:if I'm taking your Podcast off into the territory. It's
Speaker:never quite been into before is periods. Okay. Men as
Speaker:fathers are in a speck tack you really strong position
Speaker:to talk to their daughters about periods, because women are
Speaker:raised to think of periods as taboo and women really
Speaker:don't like talking about it.
Speaker:Whereas men, the way guys is raised, as I say,
Speaker:I'm not saying this is a good thing. I'm not
Speaker:saying it's the right way that the, the, we, we
Speaker:raised at the particular agendas, but men are raised to
Speaker:think practically. So a man can go in to that
Speaker:conversation with their daughter's and say, this is what is
Speaker:going to happen. Its biology. This is what you're gonna
Speaker:do about it. And can just go in they're completely
Speaker:fearless. Were there any of the taboos that a lot
Speaker:of women unfortunately have, have got because of the way
Speaker:women are raised and what we would talk about the
Speaker:rest, talk about periods.
Speaker:And if this is where it goes back to my
Speaker:sort of experiences, not so much with the podcast, but
Speaker:with the blog. I mean, I've had women comment on
Speaker:my blog or on my social media channels in the
Speaker:past who told me they are like a 13 year
Speaker:old daughters and they have never spoken to them about
Speaker:sex or about periods. I would be horrified if a
Speaker:father told me he had never spoken to his 13
Speaker:year old daughters about those things and to hear a
Speaker:mum saying those things, it just, yeah, I, I th
Speaker:I, I just find that statement actually also really quite
Speaker:sad that people feel quite so pet up that they
Speaker:can't actually discuss this, but Hey daddy, I mean, you're,
Speaker:you're, you're from Scotland.
Speaker:And I know, I know being married to a Scot
Speaker:that the Scots, it can be even more reserved in
Speaker:the English. So I, I try to think, you know,
Speaker:and I think between us, our two nations Excel in
Speaker:possibly feeling awkward about discussing these things.
Speaker:And I was going to ask you that because I
Speaker:do you think it is a cultural thing? Cause I
Speaker:look at Europe, you're look at France and you're look
Speaker:at it earlier. That's seems to be, for example, they
Speaker:have a wine is a normal dinner or a drink
Speaker:and a half to 12, 13, 14 year old kids,
Speaker:you know, having a glass of wine at dinner. So
Speaker:there's less chance of alcoholism in Europe or at least
Speaker:in the other countries that are, that, you know, promote
Speaker:that. So do you think it's a cultural thing that
Speaker:we are RE regressed in the UK at the voucher,
Speaker:say Europe or North America to a degree or Australia
Speaker:or New Zealand?
Speaker:Oh, well it depends on the subject matter. You see
Speaker:it because for my sins, I am actually half French.
Speaker:And now when it comes to issues of gender equality,
Speaker:the U K and actually Canada as a shining light
Speaker:on this front as well is, is actually quite well.
Speaker:It's not as advanced to Sweden's Norway's Iceland's Finland's of
Speaker:this world, but I would rather raise my kids in,
Speaker:in the UK than the necessary and France or Germany
Speaker:or Italy, or maybe not so much Germany, Germany, and
Speaker:I'll give the Germans in the, in the dark shirt
Speaker:or a pass out.
Speaker:But, but I think when it comes to gender equality,
Speaker:those CA those nations, our actually behind us. And I
Speaker:thought of me doing what I do being the main
Speaker:carer for my kids would be, you know, in, in,
Speaker:in the UK, it's sort of a bit interesting. I
Speaker:mean, it would be nice and revolutionary, I think, in,
Speaker:in those societies, but w you know, when it comes
Speaker:to booze and drugs and, and that sort of thing,
Speaker:I just in the UK has got a problem. I
Speaker:really we've got quite an unhealthy approach to those times.
Speaker:He is not necessarily, you know, no, I think there
Speaker:are a European countries out there where, where they probably
Speaker:have got bigger issues actually.
Speaker:But yeah, I think a certain amount of it is,
Speaker:is CA is culture and nature nurture all of that.
Speaker:So one of the things that they wanted to ask
Speaker:you, I'm, I'm not sure if it's as your way
Speaker:to listen to your podcast,
Speaker:Do you know? I don't actually encourage her to do
Speaker:engaged with anything I do online. I don't encourage anyone.
Speaker:I know too, actually, I've just thought I've got a
Speaker:bit more free rain, you know, if, if, but, you
Speaker:know, obviously people find out and they do. So they
Speaker:might, my wife isn't hugely engaged with, with my podcast.
Speaker:So you can ask what you like. Danny
Speaker:What I was curious if there's been anything that you
Speaker:spoke about of your guests, and you've used an example
Speaker:from your own parenting and she's listened after where it
Speaker:says you to didn't do that, or no, I wish
Speaker:you'd done in an hour or whatever that your guests
Speaker:that said, I don't know everything that it popped up
Speaker:there.
Speaker:No, that hasn't happened yet. If it will happen on
Speaker:this, I'm sure. Umm, but no, it, it, it, it
Speaker:hasn't happened yet. I'm so sorry to let you down
Speaker:on that one that I wish I could give you
Speaker:an example where that actually.
Speaker:So we're going to try to find a, a contact
Speaker:detail for a walk and just say, you gotta listen
Speaker:to the show up. Good call is going to be
Speaker:speaking about this. So you get your podcasts. We launched
Speaker:it a year, launched it at the end of last
Speaker:year. So still a relatively new what's your goal. As
Speaker:you move forward a, are you going to move in
Speaker:to video? You mentioned that you prefer Audio, but are
Speaker:you thinking of moving in, moving to the video or
Speaker:are we, do you like to get back to C
Speaker:in-person interviews? What, what kind of the plant's
Speaker:That he got for the shot? Yeah, well, what I
Speaker:have decided to do with the foreseeable future is to,
Speaker:I'm going to produce an episode in monthly. Now I
Speaker:may up for that in time, what I was incredibly
Speaker:fortunate and I have to say, I was staggered to
Speaker:have done. This was, there was a new podcasting award
Speaker:was launched in the UK just a few months back
Speaker:or the podcasting for business awards. And I entered my
Speaker:Podcast into it, into the, into the family category. And
Speaker:to my amazement, I didn't win it, but I didn't
Speaker:get the runner-up prize, which I was stuck at by
Speaker:actually. And it, it sort of made me thing that,
Speaker:well, I must be on to something here, so I'm
Speaker:going to it.
Speaker:I'm definitely going to keep at it. W my plans
Speaker:are, are to grow our audience. And your absolutely right
Speaker:is a very new Podcast. So not that, you know,
Speaker:10th episode, we will be out a very soon in
Speaker:the next few weeks what's I know I have got
Speaker:to do. And what I have taken steps to do
Speaker:is to improve the quality of my audio. And not
Speaker:that it didn't get the wrong way that it's not
Speaker:being shocking, but I know that on some episodes it's
Speaker:been better than on others while I started off. I
Speaker:wasn't sure if I was going to keep doing this
Speaker:forever.
Speaker:So I basically bought a game as head set, and
Speaker:that's what I recorded the first few episodes on. But
Speaker:then I did have a particular episode where an individual,
Speaker:although I was sort of microphoned up and everything, it
Speaker:was done via zoom, and he was on a laptop
Speaker:and he kept moving away and kept moving forward. I
Speaker:was, he was like, Oh, am I allowed to swear
Speaker:at Danny? Well, I can always blip it or I
Speaker:can put whatever it is. It's like, okay, I may
Speaker:have said a few swear words or can't you just
Speaker:stay there, or, you know, so I've spoken to other
Speaker:people and learn a few tips. So I'm, I'm improve
Speaker:my audio quality in future episodes is going to be
Speaker:much better, also invested in my concern, so on.
Speaker:And I've had a lot more ideas to the two
Speaker:types of fathers that I am going to interview. Now,
Speaker:obviously I reckon the phone, but to be honest, I've
Speaker:probably got a good four of five years worth of
Speaker:fathers. I could actually interview at some point, I imagine
Speaker:I probably will want to broaden out. And the idea
Speaker:that the thing I'm looking to do is to do
Speaker:much more like this, actually speak to other people on
Speaker:other people's podcasts, which is great fun as you grow.
Speaker:I saw a comment that was made to me was
Speaker:podcasting is like what blogging was 10 years ago. And
Speaker:actually when I started podcasting also got the experience of
Speaker:a blogger. I'm gonna go going forward. I thought, actually
Speaker:I do see some similarities to, to, to, you know,
Speaker:what I was doing with the blog and sort of
Speaker:eight years ago.
Speaker:And otherwise it's sort of, Oh, I know this, you
Speaker:know, I can, or I can predict what's going to
Speaker:happen with podcasting. It is in certain aspects and, and
Speaker:sort of see what I've got to do. So, yeah,
Speaker:I, I will be using my experiences, you know, that
Speaker:I learned blogging sort of try and grow my audience,
Speaker:uhm, as a podcast because I would like, I would
Speaker:like to grow it seriously. And I just, you know,
Speaker:that it, I do love it. What I found is
Speaker:that there is a fantastic podcasting community and I think
Speaker:also podcasting has boomed due to COVID and a thing
Speaker:I find fascinating as when I look through all the
Speaker:various podcasts as some of the podcast, I like to
Speaker:listen to listen to are actually on some of the,
Speaker:the, the, the fiction a, you know, what you, what
Speaker:he wants to put a time we would have called
Speaker:radio plays.
Speaker:No idea what you call with them on podcasts as
Speaker:a podcast playing. So I don't know why, but I
Speaker:listened to it, loads of them and the number of
Speaker:a list or Hollywood stars that are cropping up doing
Speaker:podcasts because they're not doing any filming. I mean, it's
Speaker:amazing. I mean, it's just, I see a huge potential
Speaker:to, and what's been really interesting actually is to sit
Speaker:back and watch our clubhouse. It is booming as well.
Speaker:And I am on, Clubhouse not that I'd done a
Speaker:great day with it yet, but I think all of
Speaker:the people I'm following or the, all of the people
Speaker:I follow there is definitely a Podcast theme. There they
Speaker:are all people who I would love to hear or
Speaker:doing something Audio, but I wouldn't necessarily read it or
Speaker:watch a video, but in answer to your question, what
Speaker:do I do video sort of got my fingers burned
Speaker:a few years ago.
Speaker:You know, if I tried making it as a YouTuber
Speaker:and had to accept the fact that maybe I'm not
Speaker:that good.
Speaker:Well, it's, it's a very different medium. I know of
Speaker:like a, like a couple of guests, I was speaking
Speaker:to a couple of months back, the, the gentleman, it
Speaker:said, you've got a great phase for podcast. And I
Speaker:was thinking, Oh, did you just, this appeal was early
Speaker:in the Copeland or whatever. So it wasn't really sure
Speaker:that I've had them. Yeah. I don't think that I
Speaker:feel really uncomfortable even when I'm doing like train and
Speaker:videos or whatever, you know, like low explainer videos, but
Speaker:Podcast, CA, I get really awkward. And I can't, I'm
Speaker:far different from what I'm just speaking on our, a
Speaker:show like this.
Speaker:So what I, I, you know, I, again, I do
Speaker:just think of it a bit differently. I think it
Speaker:was ice tea once said for those under the age
Speaker:of 40, very famous rapper who went into acting. I
Speaker:remember him say once that whenever he cut a new
Speaker:tune, he would go to his car and stick it
Speaker:on a stereo. And it's a, what do you do
Speaker:when you're driving? You're listening to music and this was
Speaker:always stuck with me. Actually. It was a very interesting
Speaker:comment to me because actually in this day and age,
Speaker:when your Bluetooth, you, you, you have your phone to
Speaker:go to the car or, or whatever, actually, no, you
Speaker:might not be, listen to me, is that you might
Speaker:be listening to podcasts or whatever.
Speaker:And I think that is actually the beauty of the
Speaker:podcasts is the fact that, you know, it's streaming media
Speaker:radio almost. I mean, if you choose to w when
Speaker:you listen to it and you've got such a wealth
Speaker:of stuff that you can actually choose to listen to
Speaker:'em if you shoot a video, shoot a video, I,
Speaker:I, I'm probably gonna upset a few people are saying
Speaker:this, but I kinda think the podcast video is genre.
Speaker:You're making a video. You don't make it a podcast.
Speaker:I think by rise podcast should kind of be audio
Speaker:only.
Speaker:And I know wait for the hate mail.
Speaker:Okay. Have you done any of the Podcast in groups
Speaker:on Facebook? You'll get a lot of that, because that
Speaker:was one of the big conversations I see all the
Speaker:time is when someone says about to your point, you
Speaker:know, it's our videos, you just made none, it's a
Speaker:podcast and it's a video and it had just the
Speaker:comments just lay up, you know, you can sit back
Speaker:and be a popcorn and just watch it unfold.
Speaker:Yeah. Well, again, I've, I've got a, I've sorta going
Speaker:to come back to my experiences, not so much as
Speaker:a, as, as, as a blogger, but when I've had
Speaker:to create content in video format, I mean, I've got
Speaker:a cupboard here that is full, you know, and every
Speaker:now and again, I'll have to do it again. And
Speaker:I've got the lights and I've got a stand-alone video
Speaker:camera. We've also got pros. I've got all that stuff.
Speaker:Pod cast, actually, you don't really need much more than
Speaker:a really good set of headphones and a good microphone
Speaker:on a day. They are so different skills that you
Speaker:need for producing for the different media.
Speaker:But yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm just putting my flag in
Speaker:the ground now in saying Audio only podcasts or anything
Speaker:else has a video, sorry. She came to us.
Speaker:Would you ever consider, obviously that your show is about
Speaker:Dads and their experiences? What did you ever consider having
Speaker:your daughter's on it? Talk about their experience being raised
Speaker:by.
Speaker:I know that I never thought about it, but yes.
Speaker:What a brilliant idea. Yeah. So that, that, that can
Speaker:be really interesting actually. And I should, I really should,
Speaker:I really should ask him about that and see if
Speaker:they would be a be up for that, because I
Speaker:think they would be, it would be really quite difficult
Speaker:to edit the sewed, I think, but no, no, that's
Speaker:a really good idea that he knew what it should
Speaker:do, that I should do that and just see what,
Speaker:what they think of what they say totally unscripted. I
Speaker:think that would be huge fun.
Speaker:That'd
Speaker:Be interesting to listen back to that for sure.
Speaker:Ah, thank you. I, I, I think it would, I
Speaker:mean, that's the whole of the Podcast shot and there
Speaker:isn't a good thing getting kids to being interviewed about
Speaker:their parents'. I mean, yeah. And what a great idea
Speaker:if I should speak to you more often Danny
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah. So John, I really enjoy chatting with you
Speaker:today and I can speak with you for hours and
Speaker:hours. And unfortunately, my issue is not a Joe Rogen,
Speaker:the landfill. I really don't know. I think my lesson
Speaker:is one of like a three hour show or whatever.
Speaker:So for people that I have enjoyed listen to you
Speaker:as well. I want to know more about your podcast
Speaker:or your blog and listened to the, the, the Stories
Speaker:of your, your guests, where is the best place for
Speaker:them to connect with you on the line and listened
Speaker:to your podcast.
Speaker:All right. Best by the system to be on the
Speaker:line where the podcast is hosted by Liz Libsyn. So
Speaker:it's Danny pod UK. Aww. You will also find the
Speaker:podcast on this. This is what I have to try
Speaker:and remember at all. O iHeartRadio, Apple podcasts, Google podcasts,
Speaker:audible, Spotify. How can I forget to Spotify? So it
Speaker:was on all the, the, the, the major channels and
Speaker:also a number of the, you know, the, the, the,
Speaker:the sort of smaller ones as well. And you will
Speaker:find Dads pod UK. It has got a Twitter feed,
Speaker:but I'm not really active on there, but you find
Speaker:that pod UK on Instagram and on Facebook for the
Speaker:blog, a blog is Dads blog, uk.com.
Speaker:And you will find at Dodd blog, UK on a
Speaker:Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram, I was sure of missing out
Speaker:there, but you know, that that's enough.
Speaker:Yeah. And I'll be sure to
