Episode 16
Jody Hanks and Chris Rash of The Digression Podcast
This week on Podcaster Stories, I sit down with Jody Hanks and Chris Rash of The Digression Podcast.
The Digression Podcast was born out of just about every conversation Chris and Jody ever had. What would ordinarily be a five-minute conversation easily becomes an hour and a half of asides, anecdotes, detours, transitions, tangents, war stories, wanderings, and ramblings.
Topics up for discussion this week include:
- how their 20+ year career in the US Air Force built their close friendship, and resulted in the podcast
- how Chris "maintained people" and how that shaped his later life
- how their show had been prepping itself for 10 years offline before becoming the podcast it is today
- how afternoon scotch and sake drove their creative juices
- why tech was their biggest challenge when it came to starting the show
- how the show grew from a once-a-month experiment to today's free-flowing version
- why engagement from their audience, and the feedback they get, is one of the best parts of doing the show
- why their goal is to entertain, but to also discuss deeper topics on the show, like the military deaths at Fort Hood as well as sexual assault in the armed forces
- how their own personal experiences offer insights into personal issues experienced in the military
- why the Apollo Moon Landing episode they did for the 50th anniversary remains a favourite
- how both Jody and Chris have a personal connection to these NASA missions
- why they don't let conspiracy theorists and flat earthers get to them
- how they got involved in rebuilding programs at Fort Keesler in Biloxi, Mississippi, after Hurricane Katrina
- how conditions were like an overseas deployment when it came to the facilities and hospital at Keesler
- why it was key to rebuild the people and their morale first to start rebuilding the base
- how Chris, his wife, and their newborn had to live in a ramshackle RV immediately after the birth
- how they had to face two more hurricanes while they were rebuilding Keesler, and deal with the additional damage they brought
- how the way a young airman graduating from Airman Leadership School was treated highlighted the changes that needed to be made at the base
- why they had to change the lame squadron "cheer" into something more inspiring
- how much of a culture change they had to initiate at the top
- how they improved the fitness of those under their wing to be amongst the best on the base
- how Jody and Chris have heard from people since they retired on why the processes and personal touch they put in place is missed
- why the best way to go through life is to not take things too seriously
- their best piece of advice for new podcasters
Settle back for an entertaining episode where two air force vets share their lessons on life, military service, building loyalty, and more.
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Transcript
You know, and those kinds of things we would deal
Speaker:with, you know, we, you know, we had it with
Speaker:our problems with substance abuse. We've had our problems with
Speaker:suicides, ah, you know, the whole spectrum of the human
Speaker:condition as what we had to deal with day in
Speaker:and day out. So as much as we want to
Speaker:have fun on the podcast, when we take what we
Speaker:do, you know, experiences that we had in the, in
Speaker:the air force. And we examined some of the things
Speaker:that are going on in the military today. And, you
Speaker:know, there are very, very serious subjects wi you know,
Speaker:we, we know that we've talked to also in that
Speaker:episode about the sexual assault scandal it in San Antonio,
Speaker:Texas for the air force, with the military training instructors.
Speaker:And, you know, that was, you know, those were kind
Speaker:of, those were the issues that a, in the first
Speaker:Sergeant we'd have to work every day, every day. So
Speaker:we just incorporate that into our Podcast because, you know,
Speaker:a lot of our listeners relate to, to, you know,
Speaker:you know, having to deal with the chief in the
Speaker:shirt, you know, in some way, shape or form.
Speaker:Hi and welcome to Podcaster Stories each year we will
Speaker:have a conversation with Podcast. I was across all mediums
Speaker:and share their story. What motivates them, why they started
Speaker:to heal has a group show more and more. I
Speaker:also talk about their personal lives and some of the
Speaker:things that have happened, I've made them the person they
Speaker:have do. And now here's your host Danny Brown. Hi,
Speaker:and welcome to another episode of Podcaster Stories where we
Speaker:get to know the people behind the voices of the
Speaker:shows that you listen to this week. I have Jody
Speaker:Hanks and Chris Rash, who are the cohost of the
Speaker:Digression Podcast sure. Both military news history and folklore. So
Speaker:Judy Chris thanks for coming on the show. Welcome. How
Speaker:are you a hand over to you to give us
Speaker:a little bit of background on yourself and the show?
Speaker:Thanks. Danny I really appreciate your letting us be here.
Speaker:I'm Jody Hanks and I'm Chris Rash. Yeah. That's how
Speaker:the show normally opens. And so history, I guess we're
Speaker:both retired air force guys. I'm a retired air force
Speaker:medic actually started out in the, in the dental career
Speaker:field, went into operations later on and actually ended the
Speaker:career. And in dental, a retired chief master Sergeant, I
Speaker:have 24 years in the air force. And I'll turn
Speaker:that over to you. Chris
Speaker:And I'm a career, of course, also a career aircraft
Speaker:maintainer spent a year, spent 20 years to work in
Speaker:the flight line. And the back shops actually did a
Speaker:tour in a, a good, all the good old RF
Speaker:Alconbury and the UK. And so are some of our
Speaker:listeners already know, and we worked on the YouTube over
Speaker:there. From there. I went on to become a, a
Speaker:first Sergeant, which is a, kind of a, a, an
Speaker:interesting position in the air force where it's all about
Speaker:morale, welfare and discipline. Ah, so instead of maintaining aircraft,
Speaker:that was maintaining people. And then from there, my first
Speaker:squadron, who was dental when I met Jody and then
Speaker:we, you know, we really coalesced and, and jelled really
Speaker:well.
Speaker:And then I retired, I moved on after about 18
Speaker:months, I moved on two security forces, a copy of
Speaker:it and retired at, on the security forces about a
Speaker:year and a half. Think after Jody we're retired.
Speaker:And is that what he was obviously have known each
Speaker:other for a good few years? Is that where the
Speaker:idea for the show came up or was it later?
Speaker:Well, we started this show back in, in dental. We
Speaker:just didn't think the record it and do all 10
Speaker:years later.
Speaker:Yeah. That, that's kind of what it was. We would
Speaker:sit in my office and, you know, in the morning
Speaker:we were drinking coffee in the afternoon when we were
Speaker:drinking scotch and, and then the Podcast was more on
Speaker:board with Saki, you know, sometimes it was a and
Speaker:M so that the Podcast was born out of the
Speaker:conversations that, you know, we used to have, you know,
Speaker:it just kind of sitting in there and The Digression
Speaker:comes up because that's kind of what the conversations went
Speaker:too. They would normally start about something serious, something operational,
Speaker:something that actually had to do with the job. And
Speaker:then it just kind of, you know, went off on
Speaker:tangents, asides, you know, a lot. And, you know, we
Speaker:would just digress into other stories.
Speaker:Oh yeah. That reminds me, let me talk about, let
Speaker:me talk about this. I mean, sometimes we talked about,
Speaker:you know, bunny rabbits.
Speaker:We did. And I think also one, what also pushed
Speaker:the idea of, of the podcast was we had a,
Speaker:a young, very powered up a young lady in our
Speaker:squadron that, you know, she would always jokingly asked what
Speaker:she was inquisitive as to what we would always talk
Speaker:about in the office behind closed doors, because she wanted
Speaker:to know what, you know, the senior noncommissioned officers, what
Speaker:was, what were they dealing with? Cause she was looking
Speaker:at her own path on her own career and what
Speaker:are we talking about? Well, it turns out it wasn't
Speaker:Usually anything that she thought we'd be talking about it
Speaker:that way. So we, we put the Podcast together and,
Speaker:and as a way to kinda, you know, get a
Speaker:peek behind a curtain as to what was going on
Speaker:back in the day, we did have to work on
Speaker:some very serious issues.
Speaker:However, we found that, you know, having that Digression during
Speaker:those conversations really helped us, you know, congeal together as
Speaker:a team and, and help our team workout quite a
Speaker:bit when we had to work on serious issues.
Speaker:Yeah. When you look at, when you look at the
Speaker:backgrounds, I mean, we're a pretty unlikely pair, I think.
Speaker:Yeah. Well, we really are. Yeah.
Speaker:And you've mentioned, obviously you have to call it with
Speaker:coffee, but you published with scotch and I know it's
Speaker:not your bio's on the website that you both enjoy
Speaker:a good scotch, which I think I'm Scottish myself to
Speaker:all of us sleep. I'm a single mom guy and
Speaker:my favorites like, or the whiskies like the peaty whiskies
Speaker:from the Island of Ireland. What are your top of
Speaker:what's your go-to scotch? Or do you have one of
Speaker:two? Well, my favorite is glean going on and yeah,
Speaker:so, you know, it kind of a Highland so, and
Speaker:I like, I, like, I think lingo it's just a
Speaker:lot smoother and it, it doesn't, you know, a lot
Speaker:of scotches have kind of that, that burnt PD taste
Speaker:to it, clean going still has the, he still has
Speaker:the PD taste without that a kind of burnt taste
Speaker:too.
Speaker:It also like Glen Moran. I, I had a, I
Speaker:had a glass of that once that was, or recently
Speaker:I had a bottle of that. It was, it was,
Speaker:it was a, it was key word in, in port
Speaker:Glen in port barrels and umm, you know, it actually
Speaker:had a little purple color to it and there was
Speaker:a little, you know, the, you know, the, the Finnish
Speaker:was, it was kind of sweet tasted like pork and
Speaker:it was, it was a very good, very good. But
Speaker:yeah, Glenn go into my favorite.
Speaker:My favorite scotch is usually whatever Jody is handing me
Speaker:because I'm not as well versed in scotch as he
Speaker:is, but I did use to keep a bottle it
Speaker:to Alaska and my in my desk. And that really
Speaker:proved who I use that as a litmus test of
Speaker:who I could trust and who I would probably wasn't
Speaker:gonna trust. Cause if they couldn't, they couldn't, if they
Speaker:couldn't bear that because I whisk, I mean, that's got
Speaker:to it and I'll let you on fire. And so
Speaker:anyway, that that's kind of a M right there with
Speaker:Jody. So now I know,
Speaker:So you mentioned that the oven you've been doing this
Speaker:show for awhile now, and it is only maybe been
Speaker:the last few years, have you started, you know, I'm
Speaker:doing it from a recording point of view as that
Speaker:Sean has grown, what has been the, sort of the
Speaker:biggest challenge that you'll face over the history of the
Speaker:show and how did you overcome that?
Speaker:It, it was definitely from my end, it was, it
Speaker:was tech, it was, we were always having problems with
Speaker:some sort of connection because Jody is in Florida and
Speaker:I'm in Virginia. And for whatever reason, when we first
Speaker:started it, we could barely get through an episode without
Speaker:having to go back and redo the whole thing because
Speaker:of weather. It was Skype or whether it's because we
Speaker:were trying out different platforms and then whatever connection that
Speaker:always seemed to be on my end, that, you know,
Speaker:we were, we were having having problems and now we've
Speaker:got that pretty much worked out. So
Speaker:Yeah, that was, that was, that was probably the biggest
Speaker:challenge. And we tried, you know, we tried every, you
Speaker:know, a platform we use Skype or we use zoom,
Speaker:we use in cancer and we finally settled on SquadCast
Speaker:its, its been pretty reliable. I mean, and it, it's
Speaker:a, it's a great platform and it's good to be
Speaker:able to, to see, you know, the people that you're
Speaker:talking to. It makes it, it makes a big difference.
Speaker:I know that that's, that's not as important to me
Speaker:yet, but I know, I know that Chris is more
Speaker:relaxed when, you know, when you can actually see people
Speaker:then that he's talking to you so much.
Speaker:Yeah. And I think it makes the conversation flow much
Speaker:more natural. You see those visual cues, especially when we
Speaker:were interviewing people because you know, when there you can
Speaker:see they're about to say something or, or, or, or
Speaker:chime in. So,
Speaker:And I think that that's a, that's a, that's a
Speaker:good point. You mentioned about the fluidity of that. What,
Speaker:what was the visual cues? Because some things, if you're,
Speaker:it's, it's hard to tell us a nuance, have a
Speaker:question or a comment or something if its Audio online
Speaker:and you've got the awkward part of that, you think
Speaker:it had just installed a cat person with something like
Speaker:she didn't know this, that or whatever. It was nice
Speaker:to see that there's still a spark on the rise
Speaker:are okay with that. So you don't have an absolute
Speaker:34 and I believe how's the experience lived up to
Speaker:your expectations when you were first thinking about taking a
Speaker:Podcast from say your personal discussions on to a more
Speaker:public form where other people could know and listen, and
Speaker:to see what you guys have made of. It started
Speaker:kind of as an experiment. And we, we did one
Speaker:Podcast month for about the first year, you know, just,
Speaker:you know, to kind of feel our way through it.
Speaker:And we change things up with almost everything. So if
Speaker:you go back and listen to the early episodes, you
Speaker:know, the you'll hear, you know, huge variations in the,
Speaker:in the audio quality of the, of the Podcast. I
Speaker:don't think there, there are bad, but ah, you know,
Speaker:we're doing a whole lot better now. And I think
Speaker:right now there, there's probably there's, there's more production that's
Speaker:done in them now there's, there's a lot more forethought
Speaker:that's put into it. I think that that's probably the
Speaker:biggest change that we've made or the transition that we've
Speaker:made and were bringing in guests now and in talking
Speaker:to them and letting them, you know, interact in the,
Speaker:in the show, which is, which has a lot of
Speaker:fun as well.
Speaker:Chris, what do you think?
Speaker:You know, the thing that I, I, when we first
Speaker:started, I was like, I was wondering where we're going
Speaker:to ever run out of, you know, things to talk
Speaker:about. And I mean, we we've had conversations for 10
Speaker:years on the phone, but would we run out of
Speaker:things that were interesting enough that other people would want
Speaker:to listen to? And well, I mean, we haven't been
Speaker:doing this for, you know, a decade yet, but it
Speaker:just, it doesn't seem like we ever run into anything
Speaker:too, to look into or to discuss or, you know,
Speaker:dissect. And the feedback that we get is that, you
Speaker:know, people love what we are talking about. So, you
Speaker:know, we're going to keep pressing
Speaker:That's the best part is that, you know, people that
Speaker:engage with the show, you know, that the feedback that
Speaker:you get and the questions that they ask you, you
Speaker:know, we, we try to, at the end of the
Speaker:show, you know, cover up the feedback that we are
Speaker:getting just to share that answer questions. And that is
Speaker:probably the most of the most fun, I think, you
Speaker:know, just having, having other people engaged with the show.
Speaker:And I think that probably comes across as well. 'cause
Speaker:you, you have known each other for so long and
Speaker:your, your friends and you, you, you do some things
Speaker:together. There's that camera to do that, that sort of
Speaker:offer them some shoes can make we mess up or
Speaker:it doesn't quite have because it's still two separate people
Speaker:that are doing a show together if you'd like. And
Speaker:I think that that, that can make a big difference.
Speaker:And to your point, Chris, keep the Topics go on.
Speaker:Even when you think, you know what we've been doing,
Speaker:the sort of like five, six or seven years or
Speaker:whatever it at some point is going to stop.
Speaker:And, you know, clearly when two friends getting together, even
Speaker:if you are not see each other for 10 years,
Speaker:you'd just sorta came to drop back into that moment.
Speaker:Well, I got to give credit to Jodie because there's
Speaker:a lot of times that it will be like, Hey,
Speaker:we should do a podcast. And he's like, we did
Speaker:episode 22. I'm like, Oh really?
Speaker:It's hard not to tell the same war stories over
Speaker:and over again. You know, you get into that, you
Speaker:get into that habit. So that you mentioned, obviously the
Speaker:short it's called the Digression Podcast because you turned to
Speaker:go with the floor and whatever is happening at, at
Speaker:that time. And then the conversation, and as a mansion,
Speaker:you can tell the camera how to raise their, the
Speaker:humor, you know, and not quite taking yourself seriously at
Speaker:times, depending on what they hear the conversation is, but
Speaker:I'm also, I would like to talk to you. You
Speaker:also want to be very serious. Topics, you know, you
Speaker:are not afraid to tackle serious topics and, and tougher
Speaker:Topics you've got, for example, you've got the chief master
Speaker:Sergeant one, Louis, who was talking about his bottle with
Speaker:a Corona virus. And recently you looked at it.
Speaker:I think there was a couple of shows on the
Speaker:same topic where you were digging in to the amount
Speaker:of soldier deaths and to grow the number of soldier
Speaker:deaths through either a suicide murder illness, et cetera. How
Speaker:important is it for you? I mean, he was always
Speaker:that, that was always on a, a goal with a
Speaker:show or is that come along as you have grown
Speaker:and, and how important was it for you to be
Speaker:able to tackle these topics and to show that side
Speaker:of the show, if you'd like, well, for me, I
Speaker:mean, those are the kinds of things that we talked
Speaker:about anyway. And ah, you know, outside of the show,
Speaker:we may not be, you know, we were talking about
Speaker:Fort hood, you know, for example, you know, all the
Speaker:deaths at Fort hood and the more we, you know,
Speaker:got into it while we were just talking over the
Speaker:phone, that's like, okay, well, you know, we should, we
Speaker:should do a podcast on this.
Speaker:And every, every other podcast we do the current news,
Speaker:right. Military news items. And it was a new show
Speaker:that was a news day. And it was just one.
Speaker:So it was just one news topic. And it was,
Speaker:you know, the desk at Fort hood, we actually brought
Speaker:in, I'm a retired Sergeant, first-class from the army who
Speaker:used to be stationed at Fort hood and a, he
Speaker:was a tank guy to, to talk with us on
Speaker:that one and provide, provide some perspective that to two
Speaker:old air force guys can't, can't provide, you know, because
Speaker:we didn't live in that same at the same life
Speaker:Jody is absolutely right. And, and what helps us with
Speaker:that is, you know, our perspective, we were part of
Speaker:a tryout at the top of the squadron. You had
Speaker:the commander you had Jody the chief. And he had
Speaker:me as the first Sergeant and the personnel issues that
Speaker:we would deal with Well Fort hood is a, a,
Speaker:a, a great case study of, of what the triad
Speaker:would have to deal with and cope with. So it
Speaker:was natural for us to, to talk about it. And,
Speaker:you know, with our point of view, although like Jody
Speaker:says it was air force, point of view, that's why
Speaker:we were brought in, start in first class Bart show,
Speaker:but you know, those kind of things we would deal
Speaker:with, you know, you know, we had it with our
Speaker:problems with substance abuse. We've had our problems with suicides
Speaker:there, you know, the whole spectrum of the human condition
Speaker:as what we had to deal with day in and
Speaker:day out.
Speaker:So as much as we want to have fun on
Speaker:the podcast and we take what we do, you know,
Speaker:experiences that we had in the, in the air force.
Speaker:And we examined some of the things that are going
Speaker:on in the military today. And, you know, there are
Speaker:very, very serious subjects wi you know, we, we know
Speaker:we've talked to also in that episode about the sexual
Speaker:assault scandal, it in San Antonio, Texas for the air
Speaker:force, with the military training instructors. And, you know, that
Speaker:was, you know, those were kind of, those were the
Speaker:issues that a chief and a first Sergeant we'd have
Speaker:to work every day, every day. So we just incorporate
Speaker:that into our Podcast because, you know, a lot of
Speaker:our listeners' relate to, to, you know, you know, having
Speaker:to deal with the chief in shirt, you know, in
Speaker:some way, shape or form, how do you feel,
Speaker:How long did that people listen to the, these particular
Speaker:episode? So for example, have been able to be more
Speaker:comfortable in coming forward and talking about either their own
Speaker:issues or report and issues that they may not have
Speaker:had the confidence to do otherwise, because the show in
Speaker:that has been talked about it is okay to talk
Speaker:about it. And that is an, an issue that needs
Speaker:spoken about if you had feedback from, you know, people
Speaker:are still serving in the military are post-military that I
Speaker:have listened to these episodes. We, I don't know that
Speaker:we've had anybody that, that has come out and, you
Speaker:know, like it, you know, it, it, it made them
Speaker:want to come forward with, you know, something that they
Speaker:were dealing with and they're in their life or in
Speaker:their past or anything. But the, the feedback that we
Speaker:get for the most part is his, you know, specifically
Speaker:a comic, specifically commenting on the, on the episode's and
Speaker:drawing questions out of there, and, you know, making, ah,
Speaker:you know, maybe a correlation between their service and, and
Speaker:what's happened.
Speaker:We've had, I mean, a few just, you know, commenting
Speaker:on, you know, what's going on in the, in the
Speaker:world today, but we haven't had anything really deep. I
Speaker:don't think that we can, I can't think of anything.
Speaker:We're always talking about tens of listeners. We're at a
Speaker:hundreds of listeners' now. So, you know, maybe, maybe as
Speaker:we grow a little further, you know, will have some,
Speaker:some deeper discussions and a feedback from folks. That'll be
Speaker:interesting. No, no, you're not currently as an absolute for
Speaker:34. You've got published that at the moment, I believe,
Speaker:correct. Over the time of the show. Are there any
Speaker:of the episodes that have stood out to you in
Speaker:particular? And if so, why that one, or why that
Speaker:to you or et cetera,
Speaker:Probably are there the two that strike me and my
Speaker:mind, probably our first one, you know, to, to have
Speaker:the, have the guts, to put it out there. And
Speaker:then I think our most significant Podcast was the, the
Speaker:one we did last, not this past summer. So summer
Speaker:before the 50th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing, we
Speaker:worked really hard on that episode and it came up
Speaker:where it really, it was a long episode in, I
Speaker:really enjoyed listening to it myself when I went back
Speaker:to review and I'm like, Oh wow, we, you can
Speaker:see the work that we put into it. And, and
Speaker:I'm particularly proud of that one.
Speaker:And we did a lot of research for that, I
Speaker:think. And there were aspects about that, about that topic.
Speaker:I mean, you know, Chris, his dad actually was a
Speaker:scientist and he, he, he worked on the moon rocks
Speaker:that were brought back from the Moon. So I, of
Speaker:those kinds of things, my dad was in the Navy
Speaker:and was on the carrier that picked up the Apollo
Speaker:eight astronauts. So there was, you know, that kind of
Speaker:a, you know, personal aspect to the story as well.
Speaker:And I think that that had some, some meaning and,
Speaker:and speaking to have that connection, I mean, that's a
Speaker:really cool to have that connection, that personal connection to
Speaker:such an important piece of history, because you got that
Speaker:connection. Does it angry at times when you get the
Speaker:conspiracy for you to say it, say it never happened
Speaker:that was all recorded in a studio or a blah
Speaker:blah, or do you just say, you know what, I'm
Speaker:not even going to get involved with us.
Speaker:You know, it's funny that you mentioned that because I
Speaker:just watched Capricorn one just a couple of weeks ago
Speaker:with my, a, with my son. And I don't know
Speaker:if you're familiar with the movie, it's got a James
Speaker:Brolin in it. And, but its about it's about a
Speaker:fact, a Mars landing, right. They did it in a,
Speaker:a sound studio. And so it does, it's the same
Speaker:kind of thing, but no, I don't, I don't get
Speaker:angry at the, at the ridiculous argument that, that people
Speaker:make the flat earthers. But It's, it's funny to talk
Speaker:about it that way.
Speaker:Yeah. I think, I think Jody and Iris sense of
Speaker:humor is, you know, when people, you know, when people
Speaker:want to give us feedback and say, you know, the,
Speaker:the conspiracy theory, you know, we kind of enjoy it
Speaker:because we've actually done a few episodes on our second
Speaker:and third ones talking about UFOs and you know, rabbits
Speaker:all sorts of crazy. Yeah. You know, so, so, so
Speaker:we, we, we enjoy that and I don't, I don't
Speaker:get upset about it if they didn't think that the,
Speaker:you know, that, that the moon landing happened because you
Speaker:know, that's, that's their thing. And I just know that,
Speaker:you know, I saw the, you know, I saw all
Speaker:the stuff that dad had from when he would go
Speaker:to, when he would go to the lab out in,
Speaker:in Livermore, California, you know, he brought back his little
Speaker:clean suet and everything like that.
Speaker:And I'm like, well, that's got to be a heck
Speaker:of a conspiracy theory. She was in gear for him
Speaker:for a fake. So, but yeah,
Speaker:That's funny, you mentioned the, the, our first Jody I
Speaker:saw like a little meme on Facebook where there was
Speaker:a flat out for our society or something like that
Speaker:and they'd run a pool and they said their results
Speaker:or In people all around the globe have spoken to
Speaker:in the first comment under the floor is just really
Speaker:what you just posted.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And what are the things that I would like to
Speaker:talk to you about? And I know Jody had mentioned
Speaker:that when we were speaking to earlier, but prior to
Speaker:today's record, and it's the work that you guys did,
Speaker:the Keesler air force base and is there a Biloxi
Speaker:Mississippi Alexa in Mississippi, you know, and, and this was
Speaker:fallen hurricane Katrina, correct? Correct. Yep. And and obviously that
Speaker:was a devastating impact across an article with that, that
Speaker:particular hurricane. What, what happened to her and how did
Speaker:you guys got involved in what was going on at
Speaker:the time there? Well, hurricane Katrina hit the, hit the
Speaker:coast, Eric kind of churn. That was a category five
Speaker:and just, you know, churn there for a while and
Speaker:devastated and the whole, the whole Gulf coast, Gulf coast
Speaker:area there.
Speaker:And it, they almost a quarter of the Pentagon was
Speaker:talking about closing. Keesler a, because of the, the damage
Speaker:that was done to the base case has a regional
Speaker:medical center. So a very big hospital on there. And
Speaker:when Katrina hit, I was actually on my way to
Speaker:Korea. I spent a year at Korea before I actually
Speaker:came to Keesler. I think Chris was at Nellis.
Speaker:Right. So this was that, that was
Speaker:An event that he went to a first Sergeant School
Speaker:before he ended up coming there. But right after Katrina,
Speaker:I mean, it was the, the conditions that were austere,
Speaker:they were working out of tense. They, they actually ran
Speaker:the hospital out of tents. You know, it was, it
Speaker:was a lot like, you know, being deployed overseas, you
Speaker:know, to, to do some, a remote location were, you
Speaker:know, you didn't have a lot of support, a lot
Speaker:of equipment, ah, you were rebuilding things. So when we
Speaker:got there, which was, you know, just about a year
Speaker:later, the coast was still decimated a houses, you know,
Speaker:still haven't been rebuilt or building, or even started. There
Speaker:were a lot of foundations that were just foundations sitting
Speaker:there and just slabs sitting there.
Speaker:And on the, on the hospital, they were back into
Speaker:physical buildings. But a lot of things weren't operational, a
Speaker:lot of people that evacuated for the Hurricane, they didn't,
Speaker:they never came back. Right. So they, they didn't bring
Speaker:people back in and they sent them to go to
Speaker:other basis just because of the base was in, in
Speaker:limbo at the time. So Manning, we went, we both
Speaker:went into the, the dental squadron. You know, I had
Speaker:a dental background. I was the chief there, and this
Speaker:is the largest dental squadron in the air force. It's
Speaker:got a, a huge dental lab. They do provide advanced
Speaker:education for dentists. So they it's, you know, it's like
Speaker:a graduate program for dentists and all the dental specialties
Speaker:and things like that.
Speaker:Anyway, Manning was between 60, 70% and morale is low.
Speaker:The, the unit they're had not won an award in
Speaker:years. And, you know, here comes, you know, here it
Speaker:comes to me, fresh from Korea. And then, you know,
Speaker:here comes this knuckle dragger maintainer first Sergeant,
Speaker:That's a way that kind of put everybody off.
Speaker:And we just started rebuilding the, the personnel there, you
Speaker:know, not, not, not, not the building or anything, but
Speaker:the, the, the team at, at the center by the
Speaker:time that we left, it was actually the most winningest.
Speaker:It was the winningest, a dental organization and the, in
Speaker:the command, in the education and training command, which we
Speaker:were part of. And it was over a two year
Speaker:span of time. And it was, it was, you know,
Speaker:working, you know, getting there in the trenches and, and
Speaker:raising up the, the performance level, the morale level of
Speaker:the, of the troupes that, that serv there.
Speaker:And it was a lot of fun. M a lot
Speaker:of black flag runs, which is, you know, runs and
Speaker:in the area H hottest part of the day, standing
Speaker:out in the parking lot, clap and sing in the
Speaker:air force song, those kinds of things.
Speaker:So, anyway,
Speaker:I don't want to monopolize that Chris good times that
Speaker:Keesler was,
Speaker:Was still so a lack of a better term hammered
Speaker:when we got there that my wife was eight months
Speaker:pregnant, and my son had to be born in mobile,
Speaker:Alabama. 'cause there was not an issue. You know, the,
Speaker:the, they didn't have a NICU. They, you know, they
Speaker:had an L and D award, but they did not
Speaker:have a neonatal ICU in case he needed it. So
Speaker:they, they kick this off too, a T-Mobile, ah, to
Speaker:a civilian hospital M and it took us all. But
Speaker:till about when he was born to find a house
Speaker:that we could live in, cause there just weren't any,
Speaker:they were all destroyed. So we Jody, it still is,
Speaker:is in horror that we lived in, in a really
Speaker:old ramshackled RV or, or, or, or what your listeners
Speaker:would probably be a no as a caravan and a,
Speaker:it was an old and it leaked,
Speaker:This is a piece of crap. He was almost crying.
Speaker:You know, it wasn't a big piece of crap, but
Speaker:you know, it, it did its job for what was
Speaker:your shopping cart on the, on the highway as it
Speaker:was?
Speaker:Oh yeah. It's not like I blew a tire, like
Speaker:nobody on the way there, but anyway, I digress. So,
Speaker:you know, we had a big challenge of not just,
Speaker:you know, setting that base back up again, but, you
Speaker:know, getting it back to what would people would consider
Speaker:normal functions. And, and, and that was, and that was
Speaker:hard because the folks, most of the folks lost everything.
Speaker:I mean, literally everything. And, and I remember going through
Speaker:one of the I was rearranged in the office. We're
Speaker:doing something else. And a check fell out for one
Speaker:of our civilian dentists from the red cross. I'm like,
Speaker:what is this doing? And they're like, two years later,
Speaker:those check falls up and I'm like, And now it's
Speaker:all expired.
Speaker:And I know how you can feel worse. Cause now
Speaker:I have found it. And I'm like, so you realized
Speaker:how, you know, how much people needed that, that assistance
Speaker:at the time, because they, they literally lost everything, but
Speaker:maybe their car. So it was, it was, it was
Speaker:far more difficult than I was expecting to have to
Speaker:do with it, you know, just thought, Oh, we're going
Speaker:to another base that, that hurricane happened a long time
Speaker:ago. No, the place was still pretty well. A lot
Speaker:of our buildings are still closed, you know? So we
Speaker:had to like our F our base finance office, that's
Speaker:where my wife works. It, it had to be put
Speaker:into a whole different building because the building, it used
Speaker:to be in, I had the entire first floor was
Speaker:under water.
Speaker:I mean, the whole base was flooded because you can,
Speaker:you can, the let's see the front gate of the
Speaker:base is 250 yards from the beach. So the water
Speaker:just rolled straight into the end of the,
Speaker:From both sides. Its kind of its more of an
Speaker:internist. So it, so the back Bay flooded the back
Speaker:end of the base that yeah, the front, you know,
Speaker:the storm surge took that. So,
Speaker:And, and then we had to more hurricanes while we
Speaker:were there. So we had Gustave and Ivan liked back
Speaker:to back. So we even an even more damaged. Umm,
Speaker:so yeah, it was, it was quite a challenge T
Speaker:to start off with and you know, we have to
Speaker:work so hard. That's where all this came together is
Speaker:the time we spent work in the work in the
Speaker:issues and try and put that back together. It's building
Speaker:people up.
Speaker:And, and you had mentioned that you mentioned that a
Speaker:lot of it, especially when you arrived, their morale was
Speaker:so low and a lot of that to get the
Speaker:building's and that the work that you needed to do,
Speaker:you had to get the morale, you know, of the,
Speaker:the, the people there. How, how, how do you go
Speaker:back to something like that when there's been such a
Speaker:devastation people who aren't sure what's coming next, how would
Speaker:you go and, and, and try fix that part or
Speaker:do you fix that obviously?
Speaker:Well, here's a, here's a great example. And I, you
Speaker:know, not long after we got there, we did have
Speaker:a, a young airmen who was graduating from Airman leadership
Speaker:School and you know, it's, it's the first phase of
Speaker:professional military education than an Airman goes through. It's a
Speaker:big deal. And his supervisor as the commander, you know,
Speaker:everybody normally attends these graduation ceremonies, you know, especially for
Speaker:these folks going through their first one. Well, the only
Speaker:people from the squadron that we're at this ceremony were
Speaker:Kris and I and his supervisor wasn't there, his commander
Speaker:wasn't there, nobody else in the, in the facility was
Speaker:there, his wife and his mom were there.
Speaker:So I was actually kind of embarrassed I'm so that
Speaker:was, that was actually the first thing that we did.
Speaker:We actually change the, the, what did we call those?
Speaker:Cheers. Yes. As far as this year, they, they had
Speaker:this lane cheer. When, whenever you go to a events,
Speaker:you know, each, each organization, you know, each squad and
Speaker:or whatever, they have a cheer, you know, whatever their
Speaker:organization is. And this one, you know, for this one
Speaker:was dental, pride, smile wide. And you know, he drew
Speaker:more and more laughs and chuckles and anything. And this
Speaker:is, this is a war fighting, you know, or you
Speaker:know, that, that's what these folks are essentially. So we
Speaker:changed that there that night to, if you can't byte,
Speaker:you can't fight.
Speaker:I think that was our, that was our, that was
Speaker:the first step in the right direction. And more than
Speaker:anybody else. I think Kris and I were probably the
Speaker:loudest yelling that in the, in the center. So, you
Speaker:know, it just kind of letting people know that, Hey,
Speaker:here we are. And you know, we are going to
Speaker:start making changes. Now the next day it got all
Speaker:the senior NCO, he was in the organization together, all
Speaker:the senior noncommissioned officers and sat him down and said,
Speaker:Hey, you know, why are we in the, you know,
Speaker:in the tshirt, the only people they're at his graduation
Speaker:yesterday, this is a totally ridiculous. Where, where are you
Speaker:people, you know, how, how are you going to lead,
Speaker:you know, these, these folks forward, if you can't support
Speaker:them, you know, when they want you to see when
Speaker:they need you to support that.
Speaker:But anyway, that was the first step. And then just
Speaker:gradually over time.
Speaker:Well, and, and then the other, the other part of
Speaker:it, what we built on top of that was, you
Speaker:know, we, a lot of, a lot of personal issues
Speaker:and a lot of problems, people are having, having problems
Speaker:with life. And when I would, you know, I'd get
Speaker:'em on the first Sergeant is the one that gets
Speaker:the call in the middle of the night. Hey, you
Speaker:know, Airman stuff he's been in the car accident or
Speaker:has been arrested or what have you. And I had
Speaker:an incident where a young Airman was in trouble in
Speaker:the dormitory and, and her, her actual suite-mate there, the
Speaker:young lady that shared the bathroom with her in the
Speaker:dormitory started texting me. And so I call that supervisor
Speaker:up and said, Hey, meet me at the dorms. And
Speaker:we started realizing really quick that the, the first line
Speaker:supervisors is there like a What and got a lot
Speaker:of, you know, that's the first sergeant's job.
Speaker:I just, I just take care of them at work.
Speaker:And so we had to completely retool the way our,
Speaker:our, our frontline supervisors in our mid level, the noncommissioned
Speaker:officers dealt with the people, because if you know, they
Speaker:needed to know. And not only that they were there,
Speaker:you know, that they're there, Airman lived in the dorm,
Speaker:but also what room, how to get there. And, and
Speaker:we built on top of that and we, we kept
Speaker:building pride in pride and pride, but I think the
Speaker:thing that really one of the most key elements that
Speaker:we fixed was of course, in the military unit, a
Speaker:they measure fitness, physical fitness, and our rate was terrible.
Speaker:And a, we got there and, you know, Jody talked
Speaker:about the black flag runs.
Speaker:Well. We decided that we needed to start providing time
Speaker:during the duty day for our folks to get out
Speaker:there and get some fitness because they weren't doing it
Speaker:on their own. So we implemented the policy and actually
Speaker:some of our doctors were like, Hey, wait a minute.
Speaker:It's it's black flag conditions. We can run in black
Speaker:flag. And my point of view was the worst day
Speaker:in Biloxi. Mississippi is a nice day in the desert,
Speaker:so we're going to run. And, and there was a
Speaker:lot of grumbling. A lot of people moaning and groaning,
Speaker:a whole slew of new physical fitness, fitness waivers came
Speaker:out because people just didn't want to do it. But
Speaker:eventually what happened is when we started getting more and
Speaker:more people off the, you know, we'd have to go
Speaker:to the, to the base commander in, and, you know,
Speaker:there would be slides.
Speaker:You know, how many people in the squadron were failing
Speaker:and, and, and our numbers are kept every day. You
Speaker:know, every month we kept shrinking and shrinking Shrek. And
Speaker:suddenly we were one of the best on the, on
Speaker:the base. And they were like, what are you doing?
Speaker:In fact, we were better. You know, we, we had
Speaker:better fitness rates than security forces, then the cops at
Speaker:the time, and you think cops must need to be
Speaker:physically fit because their job requires them to run and
Speaker:catch bad guys and stuff. We eclipsed them. And people
Speaker:started to notice, and we had people from the other
Speaker:squadrons or their first sergeant's were coming to me going,
Speaker:Hey, what are you doing over there? And want to
Speaker:know because, and once our folks started getting off the
Speaker:off of the program, and what we would do is
Speaker:we'd go run.
Speaker:Not only, you know, we'd run in the, in the
Speaker:squadrons, but we'd go run with him individually. Somebody was
Speaker:having a problem. All right, let's go after work and
Speaker:will And when they saw that we were willing to
Speaker:do that, that leading from the front and actually caring
Speaker:about him. Things got better. People who were more proud
Speaker:of them were proud. They didn't walk around. And when
Speaker:people ask them, Hey, what squad are you in a
Speaker:dental? They are like no dental. And they were like,
Speaker:Oh, your, the guys that are kicking butt on everything,
Speaker:you know, whether it's awards or fitness or what happened.
Speaker:So I think that those two things that were were,
Speaker:were pretty key in my mind.
Speaker:Okay. And now you're, you are both retired now. It
Speaker:sounded like from your time, especially, you know, obviously Keesler
Speaker:and what you did there, it sounds like there was
Speaker:maybe some process issues or a weather. It was like
Speaker:higher up didn't carry as much as it, did you
Speaker:hear it from friends or still, you know, enlisted it
Speaker:got better or are they, did you recognize him before
Speaker:you retired and things have got better at, or is
Speaker:that something that still ongoing may or may not even
Speaker:just in the air force, but just generally what, what
Speaker:what's happened there,
Speaker:You know, the, the leadership at, at, at least at
Speaker:the base level, you know, that it usually rotates over
Speaker:every two years. So there's a life span there. And
Speaker:even now, even in the squatter, and it's usually two
Speaker:to three years, so there's, there's kind of an oscillation
Speaker:between, you know, good and bad And and, you know,
Speaker:throughout my career, I've had good commanders, bad commanders. Umm,
Speaker:and they oscillate. So that oscillation hasn't changed much, but
Speaker:I know that I've gotten feedback that our folks, some
Speaker:of our folks, you know, they really missed having us
Speaker:around because the, the people that follow us either at
Speaker:a different point of view or were not as engaged
Speaker:are, you know, the answer and the thing, the thing
Speaker:was like with fitness, when it came to me, you
Speaker:know, fitness is it, you know, has, has never been
Speaker:my Mo I've been, I've never been my, my greatest
Speaker:friend.
Speaker:I did it because it had to. And that was
Speaker:one of the reasons I became a first Sergeant because
Speaker:I didn't look like, you know, GI Joe or, you
Speaker:know, somebody who was a Navy seal or, or in
Speaker:the SAS. It's just, I didn't, I would never have
Speaker:my email on my whole family. We didn't look like
Speaker:that. But what I wanted to show them that it
Speaker:is with a lot of hard work and determination, you
Speaker:can do anything in the air force and when somebody
Speaker:who is having a problem, you know, getting it in
Speaker:and investing that time and them, and then, but also
Speaker:walking the walk, there were a lot of times where
Speaker:it would have been easy for Jodi and I, because
Speaker:we would have myriads of meetings over and over in,
Speaker:in different places throughout the week or, and the, and
Speaker:the duty day, we made sure that folks saw that
Speaker:if we missed the squatter and run, they saw US
Speaker:at the end of the day, heading out to us,
Speaker:we had a running track called IAT one, two, heading
Speaker:out to the It one to make sure that we
Speaker:didn't miss it.
Speaker:So they knew we were walking the walk. And so
Speaker:then I got feedback that, you know, they missed that
Speaker:kind of a personal touch and, and you know, they
Speaker:miss that, that environment. I know both Jodi and I
Speaker:know even, even, or even 10 years later, we still
Speaker:hear from people from time to time, they'll ask for
Speaker:advice and, and, and what have you, because they are
Speaker:there. They're just not hearing the answer that they may
Speaker:want. Where are the, that that they think that they
Speaker:should be getting? Not that they're not that their leadership
Speaker:isn't doing their job, it's just different than the way
Speaker:we did it. And they would like the way we,
Speaker:we, we did it know
Speaker:You're obviously, you know, as you mentioned out there, you're
Speaker:on an episode 34 at the moment, and you've been
Speaker:doing a few years now, what are your goals for
Speaker:the future of the show? Are you continuing to like,
Speaker:obviously keep the format it's a bit, do you have
Speaker:any plans to expand to different areas or do more
Speaker:gas? Or what are your goals there? You know?
Speaker:Okay. Well, we're, we're definitely, you know, expecting that, you
Speaker:know, to a hundred million dollar Joe Rogan contract from
Speaker:Spotify for a minute. Wait, wait, let me check any
Speaker:minute. So yeah, not yet.
Speaker:We, in the, We in the show with, with the
Speaker:same, a little phrase that we say every time and
Speaker:it's a M we stand for nothing. Sometimes we can't
Speaker:even stay in and what that is. I mean, we
Speaker:just don't take, we don't take things too seriously. Right.
Speaker:And we don't take ourselves too seriously. I mean, we
Speaker:cover a series Topics, but you know, we don't, this
Speaker:is not a, as long as this is fun and
Speaker:we're enjoying what we're doing. I think that will continue.
Speaker:We're doing things now that we didn't consider doing when
Speaker:we first started, you know, the interviews and, you know,
Speaker:bringing people in and, you know, engaging in that way,
Speaker:you know, building a Facebook presence and those kinds of
Speaker:things.
Speaker:So it's kind of like, it's kind of wherever the
Speaker:wind takes us when it comes to it. I mean,
Speaker:the, the, the conversations, or still the same as the
Speaker:discussions are still the same, the topics, you know, we,
Speaker:we talk about those things anyway. It's just, you know,
Speaker:remembering to press the damn record button
Speaker:That happened once or twice
Speaker:Speak in for an hour, then there was nothing there
Speaker:that's. Right.
Speaker:Well, and, and the, the bloopers and things like that
Speaker:are fun too, because I'll normally throw those in the
Speaker:back, you know, in between, if you, if you listen
Speaker:to the music at the end, sometimes we'll just cut
Speaker:it and whatever, you know, a big blooper there, wasn't
Speaker:a show that day. We'll just put it in there.
Speaker:Yeah
Speaker:Know. And then you mentioned, obviously I'm hitting record. Yeah.
Speaker:It makes, that's like a basic error. Don't not hit
Speaker:it hard. So as podcasters that have gone on to
Speaker:show up and have been doing it for a while.
Speaker:And now what one piece of advice would you give
Speaker:to someone who is thinking of a start up
Speaker:Just don't, don't worry about it. Don't worry so much
Speaker:about the equipment, because I mean, if, if you do
Speaker:the, you do the research. If you look at the,
Speaker:the YouTube videos, I mean, there's all kinds of there's
Speaker:there's master classes and things like that, that you see
Speaker:out there, get you something simple, you know, whatever your
Speaker:budget, you know, allows at that time and, and start,
Speaker:I mean, you can do that. You can do a
Speaker:Podcast now on your phone or using the anchor and
Speaker:just start, you know, and, and enjoy what you're doing.
Speaker:I mean, you'll learn there is there's plenty of people
Speaker:that you can ask questions to on online. I know
Speaker:that a, the things that we were doing at the
Speaker:beginning a and, you know, as far as the things
Speaker:that I was doing, I, I do, I edit the
Speaker:shows.
Speaker:I mean, I've learned a lot, you know, in these
Speaker:two years, what we put out now is a lot
Speaker:better just based on, on what I, what I know
Speaker:now and what I have rathered the early shows sound,
Speaker:you know, like the shows that we put out now
Speaker:certainly, but, you know, we would have waited two years
Speaker:to do it. So to start, just start, have a
Speaker:good time.
Speaker:And I would say that, you know, the, our Podcast,
Speaker:like we said before, it was just us decided to
Speaker:record what is a conversation we would normally have anyway.
Speaker:Jody and I have always enjoyed, have always relished a
Speaker:great conversation and interesting topics and, and, you know, getting
Speaker:off on tangents. That's just been our thing since we,
Speaker:we got together. And so we brought it into a,
Speaker:into a podcast because while we were passionate about having
Speaker:a great conversation. So that's, my, my advice is find
Speaker:something you're really passionate about. Don't worry about whether it's
Speaker:going to sell, whether anybody's going to be interested in
Speaker:it or not. The find something that you are interested
Speaker:in and run with it. And, you know, it's, it's
Speaker:like the old movie Line, if you build it, they
Speaker:will come and,
Speaker:And they have, right. So, and that, that's awesome.
Speaker:I like the fact that you mentioned, you know, just
Speaker:get on and an experiment, because I think as you,
Speaker:as you say, a lot of the time, it can
Speaker:be seen as a very technical, you know, endeavor because
Speaker:you have to get the right Mick and the right
Speaker:equipment and the recording interface, et cetera, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:But you don't just, you know, they just see as
Speaker:your speed get comfortable and I let it go with
Speaker:it.
Speaker:Okay. All right. And, you know, I have listened to
Speaker:Podcast for years and you know, some of them are,
Speaker:you know, you, you, you can tell that they were
Speaker:done in studios and you know, some of them, you
Speaker:know, you can, you can hear the, you can hear
Speaker:the reverb. You can hear, you know, you know, it's
Speaker:not, it's not the greatest, but as long as the
Speaker:content is good and it is as long as, you
Speaker:know, the, the folks on it are genuine. I think,
Speaker:you know, people are forgetting of those things, you know,
Speaker:they are, as long as they, like what you're saying,
Speaker:as long as they like the messages along the way,
Speaker:they are like, as long as they like the story
Speaker:you're telling, you know, they're going to listen to you.
Speaker:So I don't, I don't think, you know, it's never
Speaker:going to be perfect. So so don't, don't wait to
Speaker:do it. Don't don't try to, I don't think you
Speaker:have to make it perfect.
Speaker:She would just use a laptop in a microphone in
Speaker:your closet because you know, the aisle, all the clothes
Speaker:Perfectly. I think that what's three is a perfectly imperfect
Speaker:people who use that's awesome. So Jody Chris, I really
Speaker:enjoyed having me on the shorter.
Speaker:And before we go, we want to give a shout
Speaker:out to Jen, Jen, Jen's our research assistant. So hi,
Speaker:Jen. Hi Jen.
Speaker:No, not for sure, but I, I really enjoyed having
Speaker:me on the show today. I appreciate your time. And
Speaker:I know I'd been like catching up on some of
Speaker:your episodes. And since obviously we connected it with like
Speaker:a few weeks back, my brother kind of months back
Speaker:actually now, and I can attest to the fact that
Speaker:there is a fun show, tell us into, as, as
Speaker:the Jodi and Chris mentioned that there are serious topics
Speaker:are on there obviously, but the, the back and forth
Speaker:between you two guys, it's really cool. And it's almost
Speaker:like I'm guest at Your, you know, you, you are
Speaker:getting together for about a scotch and a couple of
Speaker:bills in your backyard I've come across. But yeah, I
Speaker:just bought the Bureau's. I'm just sending out and you
Speaker:guys a chance to weigh say, I really, I enjoy
Speaker:the show immensely because of that, that back and forth.
Speaker:Well, thanks. Danny excellent.
Speaker:That's exactly
Speaker:The skills that were really appreciate that.
Speaker:So for people that want to check the, show it
Speaker:for you for themselves, and maybe Connect with you online,
Speaker:where's the best place that people can find you.
Speaker:And it's the Digression Podcast dot com. So the name
Speaker:of the podcast is the Digression Podcast and we are
Speaker:on all of them, all of the player's. So, you
Speaker:know, Apple, Apple podcasts, and Spotify and Amazon music now.
Speaker:And so we're on all of those, but we have
Speaker:a Facebook page. We do a little bit on Twitter.
Speaker:We do. So I'm on Instagram, at digress pod, the
Speaker:same name for all three of them. And, but our,
Speaker:but our webpage is the Digression Podcast dot com.
Speaker:Okay. I'll be sure to leave out the links for
Speaker:these, for the website and the, the social networks on
Speaker:the show notes. So I have your listen to this
Speaker:on your favorite podcast app to make sure to, you
Speaker:know, hop on, on, down to the show notes and
Speaker:you'll find out the details there. So, as you mentioned,
Speaker:Jody Chris, I really appreciate the, on the show today
Speaker:and what we look forward to you, and I'll listen
Speaker:to more of your adventures in the weeks ahead. Thanks.
Speaker:Danny this was great. So this has been another episode
Speaker:of Podcaster Stories. If you enjoy this week's show, be
Speaker:sure to check out other episodes over at Podcaster Stories
Speaker:dot com. Hold on your favorite podcast app like Google
Speaker:podcasts, Apple podcasts, or Spotify, et cetera, until the next
Speaker:time take care and we'll speak soon.
