Episode 2
Gini Dietrich of Spin Sucks
In episode two of Podcaster Stories, I sit down with Gini Dietrich, CEO of communications agency Arment Dietrich, Inc., and founder/host of the award-winning Spin Sucks blog and podcast.
Having made the move from co-hosting a PR podcast into her own show where she takes the led, Gini shares what that transition has been like, along with lessons learned along the way, how the show has grown exponentially, and more.
She also talks about the personal change that came in her life seven years ago, and how that's changed the way she's approached life and business in general.
Topics on the menu include:
- How the data that showed only 1% of podcasters were female spurred her into action
- What's been the biggest challenge
- How the Spin Sucks podcast is the #1 lead driver for her agency
- The best piece of advice she has for new podcasters
- How she came to adopt her daughter Addie
- How it took almost three years to finalize the adoption
- Who Gini's all-time hero is
Settle back for a fun and enlightening conversation on podcasting for communicators, and how business owners need to look after themselves and their employees first.
Connect with Gini:
Contact me: danny@podcasterstories.com
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Transcript
Hi, and welcome to Podcaster Stories. Each of us will
Speaker:have a conversation with podcasters across all mediums and share
Speaker:their story of what motivates them, why they started to
Speaker:show how the group, for sure, and more, but also
Speaker:talking about the personal lives at some of the things
Speaker:that have happened that made them the person in the
Speaker:afternoon and know who is your host Danny Brown Hey
Speaker:guys. And welcome to another episode of Podcaster. Stories where
Speaker:we talk to the people behind the voices of the
Speaker:show is the lesson this week, as you could, maybe
Speaker:here we have more than one guest. We have, we
Speaker:have Jenny Dietrich who's the CEO have a PR and
Speaker:communications from in Chicago, Illinois, and she is also the
Speaker:founder and host of the Spin Sucks blog and podcast.
Speaker:And at the podcast will be talking about today. And
Speaker:we may also be talking about the little monkey that's
Speaker:in the background to we'll see how it goes.
Speaker:You had to be quiet. And she said he can't
Speaker:hear me.
Speaker:Yeah. That was going to take some major noise. And
Speaker:so Jenny, welcome to the show. How are you doing?
Speaker:How is that?
Speaker:Hi, I'm great. I'm great. How are you? It's been
Speaker:a long time since I've actually seen your face.
Speaker:I know. And, and now my internet is choppy. So
Speaker:the camera is all choppy in, what have you seen?
Speaker:It's all fun. But yes, I was thinking about the
Speaker:other day I was thinking in the last time we
Speaker:caught up was probably the, the event and Ottawa. Oh
Speaker:yeah. Yep. That's probably the last time that I think
Speaker:we'd caught up. Cause it, we got
Speaker:Together, wasn't it?
Speaker:Yup. Because I know I had been done in Chicago
Speaker:and 2010 before Ewan was born and then maybe prior
Speaker:to that, where we're at, BlogWorld in Toronto. Yup. And
Speaker:then in 2012 we did social media.
Speaker:Yeah. So I think it has been since then. That's
Speaker:crazy. Wow. Eight years. Wow.
Speaker:So some form of normality was to fix up. Yes,
Speaker:we do have to fix it up. So Gini, tell
Speaker:us a little bit about your show to them.
Speaker:You know, it's funny. I was at content marketing world
Speaker:probably three years ago and I met the chief marketing
Speaker:officer from Libsyn and he said to me, you know,
Speaker:you should start a podcast. He had been to my
Speaker:break out session and I was like, yay. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker:Whatever. And he said, the interesting thing is that less
Speaker:than 1% are women posts. So you would do really
Speaker:well just from that perspective. And I was like, Oh,
Speaker:well, that's interesting. So I thought about it and I
Speaker:thought about it. I thought about it. And then I
Speaker:talk to my team about it. It was just the,
Speaker:one of those things. That was another thing that we
Speaker:had to do. Right. And finally, a friend of mine
Speaker:said, you need to meet the woman who used to
Speaker:produce my podcast.
Speaker:They've just started their own business. And so they came
Speaker:to me and they said, we're going to make it
Speaker:really easy for you. We can take your blog post
Speaker:and repurpose them into content. And all you have to
Speaker:do is record. So that was 100 episodes ago.
Speaker:Well, and that's crazy that you mentioned this was three
Speaker:years ago that you met with the person and you
Speaker:said the only 1% of hosts were female. I wonder
Speaker:what the numbers do you have like an idea of
Speaker:what that number is increased
Speaker:Considerably, but
Speaker:I know we see a lot of shoes are on
Speaker:the web, like APO or whatever that are either cohosted
Speaker:are hosted, sold by a woman, but then you see
Speaker:that's a crazy stat. You might have guessed in indicative
Speaker:of communications industry in general, a lot of business in
Speaker:general, in general. Yeah. But wow. So that was three
Speaker:years ago and you are a a hundred episodes. And
Speaker:could you do like a week with Joe? Right. And
Speaker:you've been in for two years.
Speaker:Well, I did. Yes. For the Spin Sucks the, I've
Speaker:done inside PR for gosh, 10 years now.
Speaker:All right. Because you did it, the lifeline, I think
Speaker:it did for a live podcast.
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah. So that was probably one of our first
Speaker:I would have think 10 years. Yeah.
Speaker:So what's been the biggest challenge now that you've moved
Speaker:on your own because obviously, like you mentioned that you've
Speaker:done the insight PR podcast for X amount of years,
Speaker:you're the sole cost of The Spin Sucks podcast is
Speaker:the, so what, what sort of lessons did you take
Speaker:from doing it on it and say PR and what
Speaker:do you know, what challenges you face in doing your
Speaker:own show at home?
Speaker:So the biggest challenge for me is that I'm not
Speaker:an auditory learner and I'm not a podcast listener. I
Speaker:just don't have time. And so going into that medium,
Speaker:it takes me twice as long to do that than
Speaker:it does to write a blog post or, you know,
Speaker:I can sit down and pound out for a thousand
Speaker:words in about an hour, but I can't, for some
Speaker:reason, the podcast takes me significantly longer. So, and I
Speaker:think that's why it's because that's not how I learn,
Speaker:but I keep at it because it is our number
Speaker:one driver of new business.
Speaker:Oh, wow. Well, that's cool. So that we were actually
Speaker:getting leads and on the podcast, that is awesome. I'll
Speaker:be speaking to our mutual friend, Bob Reed. And he
Speaker:had mentioned he got a lead from Reddit of all
Speaker:places. It's like a lot of conversation on Reddit and
Speaker:has gone back and forth with this guy in South
Speaker:Korea about a, a lead for this agency, which is
Speaker:awesome. That's cool. So what, when you, when you mentioned
Speaker:it like that, so that's your, your primary lead driver
Speaker:at the moment is that from clients that have listened
Speaker:to a show where it's spoken about something specific to
Speaker:their needs are how has that played out?
Speaker:And I think its more along the lines of they
Speaker:listen and you know, I mean you listen to this
Speaker:stuff and you put somebody in your ears and you
Speaker:feel like they say, you start to note that to
Speaker:know them and trust them. I think its more of
Speaker:that then really specific things like, and, and, and certainly
Speaker:I talk about, you know, some of the things that
Speaker:we do as an agency and it's been Sucks and
Speaker:so it, it does lead to that thinking of, gosh,
Speaker:I think that they can help them.
Speaker:And so to that point then M what's your goal?
Speaker:How have you been driving the, the growth of the
Speaker:show? Obviously you'd been gone two years. I didn't know
Speaker:that she knows how ignorant I am and I thought
Speaker:it was like a fairly recent may have been the
Speaker:last six months that you'd launched the podcast.
Speaker:You know, what's funny about that is we exploded in
Speaker:November. There were a couple of things that happened in
Speaker:November one I so the, the, the production company used
Speaker:to write the scripts for me. And I took that
Speaker:over in November. So I think it became more authentic.
Speaker:And we promoted Laura to Laura Petra Leno to a
Speaker:chief marketing officer and S and podcasting is her thing.
Speaker:She loves it. So she created a big promotional plan
Speaker:around it. So those two things, I mean, it exploded,
Speaker:we went from 70 or 80 downloads per, per episode,
Speaker:and now we're at 5,000.
Speaker:Oh, wow. That's great. And that was just since November,
Speaker:right? Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah. So it makes sense that you would think that
Speaker:its in the last six months,
Speaker:Well, honestly, a lot of the smarter, one of the
Speaker:two. So you can notice a difference in the way.
Speaker:So what are some of the things that you're doing
Speaker:then that to promote the podcast? So obviously, you know,
Speaker:your share it on your networks, where are some of
Speaker:these other things that you have phoned have worked for
Speaker:growing a show?
Speaker:Really? We just, we shared an email and we share
Speaker:it on a blog and we shared it in social
Speaker:work. We don't really do anything beyond that.
Speaker:All right. And then obviously you've got, you got word
Speaker:in my life. I noticed that you've got a good
Speaker:chunk of us on iTunes, which is always good for,
Speaker:you know, helping show it to your phone or on
Speaker:the directories.
Speaker:Yeah. The reviews have helped. We also moved from Libsyn
Speaker:to a megaphone and that the data in that is
Speaker:better I think. And it's, I, I think it's helped
Speaker:us reach new audiences through that as well.
Speaker:And so Microphone is a host to do is promote
Speaker:it on their own channels as well. You've got like
Speaker:a section there where people could find you and Microphone.
Speaker:Yep. Yep. And how has the experience of moving from
Speaker:C co-host and with that? Or is it marketing joke
Speaker:and say PR are you doing yeah. Marshall and Jo,
Speaker:right. That's all right. So moving from a cohost to
Speaker:just running that for yourself, what are the expectations are
Speaker:that has the, has it lived up to your expectations?
Speaker:So have you had any specific challenges of a solo
Speaker:podcaster from a team of three?
Speaker:I mean, yeah, so we probably shouldn't admit this out
Speaker:loud, but we would show up for our recording and
Speaker:spend five minutes beforehand discussing what we are going to
Speaker:talk about. And then we would record and now I'm
Speaker:like super methodical and I think about what I'm going
Speaker:to do and how can I involve the community and
Speaker:you know, do we need to bring in lists of
Speaker:your comments? What does that look like? And there was
Speaker:a script and you know, that I write a blog
Speaker:post, so it it's a, it's a bigger commitment.
Speaker:Oh, for sure. And then to that point, let you
Speaker:mentioned, do you plan ahead? I mean, obviously because of
Speaker:the industry, we can, you can flip on a coin
Speaker:in and have a new students break and email that
Speaker:you came in to use a content calendar and plan
Speaker:ahead what you want to speak about it like eczema
Speaker:a few weeks and months down the line, or how
Speaker:do you plan that out?
Speaker:Well, I will tell you that we did until the
Speaker:Corona virus. And then when that happened, we did on
Speaker:a dime and we haven't gotten back to the plan
Speaker:that we had because we'd been sort of navigating the
Speaker:waters of what people are talking about, especially in the
Speaker:Spin Sucks the community and what we think they need.
Speaker:So at first it was, you know, here's a, here's
Speaker:how you go virtual. And then it was, this is
Speaker:really hard and here are some mindset things that you
Speaker:can be thinking about. And then it was, you don't
Speaker:have to hustle and learn a new language or to
Speaker:start a new business doing this, like just protect yourself.
Speaker:And so we've kinda gone down that road versus more
Speaker:PR stuff for now eventually will, will flip back to
Speaker:the business stuff, but that's where we are right now.
Speaker:Okay. And do you think that maybe that's because a
Speaker:lot of businesses, but obviously in the same ball as
Speaker:yourself and they are looking at challenges facing they're the
Speaker:client's, you know, are coming in and signing clients and
Speaker:keeping the team members employed. Do you think that switch
Speaker:has led to some of the, you mentioned the leased
Speaker:out of there come on in your company, is that
Speaker:the leaders that are looking to do the same thing
Speaker:that would allow them as they go on?
Speaker:And I would say it's yes. It's been interesting because
Speaker:we'd been virtual since 2011. So the idea that people,
Speaker:it is overwhelming for people and that they don't know
Speaker:what to do. It's funny to me, cause it's just
Speaker:how we work right now. And we've had a lot,
Speaker:a lot of people come to us and say, can
Speaker:we hire you to help us kind of build this
Speaker:infrastructure and understand what it looks like and to be
Speaker:for us, we were like, just getting, get zoom and
Speaker:Slack. Right. But it's, it's a bigger than that. So
Speaker:if some of the business that we've done during this
Speaker:is that kind of stuff, which isn't to say.
Speaker:And what are your goals for the future of the
Speaker:show? So you mentioned that I would say it, that
Speaker:that was a PR book podcast, and that can be
Speaker:taken a little bit of a backseat at the moment,
Speaker:but do you have like a big one-year five-year plan
Speaker:kind of thing for the shore and the direction is
Speaker:going to take all of us to continue to look
Speaker:to offer leads, et cetera, and how that plays in
Speaker:to your, your business?
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, for sure we want it to, to
Speaker:drive leads and we launched the peso model of certification
Speaker:in February with Syracuse university. So that's our big push
Speaker:for the next 12 months at, at, at the very
Speaker:least. So we want to see, you know, the podcast
Speaker:help with that. I really see it as an extension
Speaker:of the blog, which is professional development and it's just
Speaker:a different way to get it. And if you're an
Speaker:auditory list of an auditory learner, it's an easier way
Speaker:for you to get it. And then just sit down
Speaker:and read and read a blog post or read a
Speaker:4,000.
Speaker:All right. And I know you can create the, was
Speaker:it the Spin Sucks the online Academy? Did the podcast,
Speaker:is that going to be featured as a part of
Speaker:our like exclusive stuff for Academy members or will be
Speaker:Eventually? Yeah, we're not quite there yet. We're actually working
Speaker:with a university in Canada that will help us build
Speaker:into that for us. But so that's coming,
Speaker:So obviously a great Canadian mind's again, help in the
Speaker:U S or just for who you are with you
Speaker:like to say it. I'm not allowed
Speaker:To see it yet, but it's somebody's you would recognize
Speaker:it.
Speaker:Okay. Okay. So I would imagine that maybe you have
Speaker:a, look it up. How could we Sue Sue? Oh,
Speaker:I'm going to sit down by, in case I'm not,
Speaker:I'd like to say after this is going to be
Speaker:thinking of my Indian friends that are at university of
Speaker:Utah, isn't it. I want to get to look forward
Speaker:to that. Ask someone that's been on my podcast app.
Speaker:And then what one piece of advice would you give
Speaker:to someone who is interested in following your footsteps? You
Speaker:know, either start a podcast or expand in their, their
Speaker:cutting content plan to compliment it with some podcast apps
Speaker:is now. And again, what was your piece of advice?
Speaker:I would say two things. I would say find a
Speaker:cohost because it's easier, you know, than having to do
Speaker:it yourself. And I also would, the other piece of
Speaker:advice is I would look at different models like everybody
Speaker:who podcasts does the interviews. So is there a different
Speaker:way that you can look at podcasting that doesn't, that
Speaker:helps you stand out? That doesn't make you look like
Speaker:everybody else?
Speaker:What is basically to give to me that not to
Speaker:sound like anybody else? I mean, first
Speaker:Of all, listen to you, you, you don't sound like
Speaker:anybody else,
Speaker:The squash podcasters,
Speaker:You get it, get an accent. You know, I think
Speaker:that the way that you're is that the I'm going
Speaker:to say something nice about you in this relationship is
Speaker:really hard for me. Here we go. The way that
Speaker:you market your are the things that you're doing, and
Speaker:I've seen you evolve over the, you know, the last
Speaker:decade get even longer. You do such a nice job
Speaker:of promoting what it is what's coming guest that you
Speaker:have. I mean, they've done a great job and that's
Speaker:been kinda fun on Facebook. I've talking about this podcast
Speaker:and see what's coming in the line up for this
Speaker:one. And you do such a nice job with that
Speaker:in a way that's authentic and interesting for people. You
Speaker:also are doing.
Speaker:It's a different topic. You know, you said you're not
Speaker:doing something about marketing or communications like everybody else. So
Speaker:that the topic is interesting to me.
Speaker:I want you to tell you, is that a $47?
Speaker:That's it go and write, right? Are we still in
Speaker:that four to $7 go and write it up to
Speaker:97, 97 or an inside joke on going rate for
Speaker:social media wanks and gurus to selling courses, to change
Speaker:things up a little bit. Obviously we've got a little
Speaker:guests, a special guest with you today in the backroom
Speaker:there. I'm not sure my, the list. It will pick
Speaker:up on that one up. So Addie, do you want
Speaker:to talk about Addie in how she came in to
Speaker:be in your life with the nurse or a hue?
Speaker:It was like a big secret for the longest name.
Speaker:And then you were finally three to open up about
Speaker:that. I mean, that's going to have, who obviously has
Speaker:been a huge change, you know? So if so, how
Speaker:did that come about? And, you know, what's been the
Speaker:biggest changes for that.
Speaker:You can't have my own children and we looked at
Speaker:different ways to grow our family. And then we went
Speaker:through, we went and talked to our adoption agencies and,
Speaker:you know, we did all of this stuff. One of
Speaker:the things we found two things about adoption agencies here
Speaker:in the U S and one was that they needed
Speaker:you to have W2's to show that you are employed.
Speaker:And because Kelly and I are both self-employed, we don't
Speaker:have W2's, we had tax returns, but we don't have
Speaker:to agree to. And so they had a really hard
Speaker:time with that. And the other thing is that, you
Speaker:know, this was 2012. They wanted me not Kelly, but
Speaker:me to be available, to drop everything and go live
Speaker:in another state for three to six months until the
Speaker:baby was born.
Speaker:And as a business owner, that wasn't something that I
Speaker:was able to do. And so it was really tough
Speaker:to sort of go down there and I'm sure that
Speaker:we could have jumped those hurdles, but it was, it
Speaker:was if they made it harder than it needed to
Speaker:be. And so we looked at foster care and we
Speaker:went, you would go to foster care class and you
Speaker:sit in a room without windows every Saturday, all day.
Speaker:And you really, you learn about the bureaucracy of the
Speaker:foster care system is what you learned. And so then
Speaker:you pass and you get certified, and then you wait,
Speaker:and on January 14th, 2014, we've got a phone call.
Speaker:And they said, we have a baby girl she's in
Speaker:emergency care. Can we put her with you while we
Speaker:figure things out? And we were like, wow, like we're
Speaker:not in this to give the child back essentially were
Speaker:in the school, in our family.
Speaker:And then the social workers said, you know, it just,
Speaker:I really have a feeling about this. I don't think
Speaker:she is going back to her mother. And she did
Speaker:it. So we went through the whole process of, we
Speaker:had to show up three days a week to the
Speaker:library so that the biological mother could see her. And
Speaker:that the biological mother didn't show up at night. We
Speaker:had to prove that we were there and I have
Speaker:to fill out these forms every three days a week
Speaker:that prove that, you know, showed that we were there
Speaker:and that we waited for an hour and all those
Speaker:kinds of kinds of things. And after 90 days have
Speaker:not showing up. And they said, okay, well, you only
Speaker:have to do at once a week. And, and so
Speaker:we did that once a week, every week. And again,
Speaker:she didn't show up. And so the 90 days after
Speaker:that though, they reduced it too once a month.
Speaker:And one of those times she did show up and
Speaker:she said to me, can I talk to you alone
Speaker:for a minute? And she pulled me aside and she
Speaker:said, would you be interested in adopting Addy? And I
Speaker:was like, Oh, well, and there was a lot of
Speaker:back and forth. Like she, she was, she was very
Speaker:young and she knew that that was the right thing
Speaker:to do, but she was also getting pressure from her
Speaker:family not to do it. And so there was a
Speaker:lot of back and forth and a lot of appointments
Speaker:in dates and all that kinda stuff. But I, November
Speaker:of 2017 who you were able to finally adopt her.
Speaker:So it was, it was almost four years of that
Speaker:back and forth and back and forth and back and
Speaker:forth.
Speaker:And that must of been, I mean, I can only
Speaker:imagine how frustrating it must've been to be so close
Speaker:at times, but then the way we have, is it
Speaker:going to happen? And then, I mean, was there any,
Speaker:was there any things that you just thought this is
Speaker:not going to happen? And we can keep doing this
Speaker:or was it not enough of an option? Really?
Speaker:So it sort of, wasn't an option. Like I don't,
Speaker:I don't think we ever thought that it wouldn't happen,
Speaker:but you know, you, they have to do everything. The
Speaker:court system has to do everything they can to make
Speaker:sure that later one of the parents, biological parents does
Speaker:not come back
Speaker:And try and get the child. So they had to
Speaker:try,
Speaker:So it will alert the father, but she didn't know
Speaker:who the father was. So we had to alert three
Speaker:different men, and then we had to put something in
Speaker:the paper. And so there is like all of this
Speaker:stuff that has to happen and there's time in between
Speaker:that it takes. And finally, the judge was like, yeah,
Speaker:you guys don't need to worry like that.
Speaker:We just need to run through them. And that was
Speaker:to be some teas to know. She just told you
Speaker:to be six per three recently. Wow. And she is
Speaker:like a, a chirp a little while. And I said,
Speaker:well, what are the things that have been enjoyable and
Speaker:on Facebook and that I saw it. And I think
Speaker:that's been one of the cool things to fall on
Speaker:this story along is you're a, PR outgoing and gregarious
Speaker:person generally, but you couldn't obviously share what was going
Speaker:through, you know, your life at the table body right
Speaker:now. You'd like to speak about it in general, the
Speaker:quality, the time, one of the things, the cool things
Speaker:that we are seeing, as you share it on, on
Speaker:Facebook, you are daily updates about how your family Dietrich
Speaker:is going through this and, and that's going to be
Speaker:fun.
Speaker:But you also share that like any parent, the kids
Speaker:think the rotten and they want to be in a
Speaker:different file. And I got a pack up and leave,
Speaker:but it's been some of the, the fun challenges, you
Speaker:know,
Speaker:You know, I mean, it's my favorite, favorite title of
Speaker:all. And you know, you love being a parent too.
Speaker:It's, it's one of the best things ever, but yeah,
Speaker:she's a sassy little thing. And she, it's funny because
Speaker:people will say she's so, you know, I mean, nature
Speaker:versus nurture there, but she's just like every other kid,
Speaker:you know, she did, she did pack her suitcase at
Speaker:the start of this. And it was like, I'm going
Speaker:to live with my friend because I don't like you
Speaker:are. And I was like, all right, well, you're not
Speaker:going to like your friend's mom more than you like
Speaker:me, but, okay.
Speaker:All right. And then, has there ever been in the
Speaker:more like that, or was it just like your little
Speaker:daily battles or is it pretty much it,
Speaker:I mean, right now it's more along the lines of,
Speaker:you know, she's just, I'm sure your kids are doing
Speaker:this to you. Do they miss their friends? They miss
Speaker:the routine. They miss being able to be outside. They
Speaker:must going to recess or they missed the social piece.
Speaker:They miss the routine and the structure of school. There's,
Speaker:you know that we're recording this on a Friday and
Speaker:we haven't done any school today because I'm just like,
Speaker:it is what it is, you know? And, and she'll
Speaker:say things like, you're not doing it right. Or you're
Speaker:not my teacher, or, you know, it depends on a
Speaker:day, some days I'm just like, yeah, I get a
Speaker:kid. Then other days it makes me cry. But
Speaker:Yeah, no, I hear you. It's a joy. I always
Speaker:think being, being a parent is one of the most
Speaker:equally reward and an underwater, you know, because no matter
Speaker:what we do, we will suck at something. And so,
Speaker:okay. So who is your all-time hero and why?
Speaker:This is my all time hero and why? I would
Speaker:say my mom, you know, she's just, she's just my
Speaker:rock. She was my rock. She has always been there
Speaker:for me. She's always known exactly what to say. Sometimes
Speaker:she says things that I don't want to hear, but
Speaker:need to hear. And she's my best friend.
Speaker:Well, it was mother's day coming up soon. Mother's day
Speaker:is coming up soon. So you can have like a
Speaker:double celebration I can give of yourself and I'll see
Speaker:your mom. So what are you guys doing to do
Speaker:you guys communicate via zoom at the moment then when
Speaker:you're do you go, you like screen time, FaceTimes, FaceTime
Speaker:in text or text or a constant. Yeah. I know
Speaker:how to do a blog post a few years back
Speaker:about, you know, why you shouldn't be scared of upset
Speaker:and Jenny districts, mum, after she died. See what I
Speaker:said? I said from others, this is funny. So if
Speaker:you need it, this is like, I really enjoyed catching
Speaker:up with you. Like you say, we it's been almost
Speaker:10 years since we've actually been in the same room,
Speaker:which is kinda weird to think about that for people
Speaker:that want to find you online, listen to the podcast
Speaker:and connect with you.
Speaker:Where's the best place for them. He catch you
Speaker:In Sucks dot com.
Speaker:And so everything will feed up from there. They can
Speaker:find you on Facebook where they can find the podcasts
Speaker:that are everything over there. And I would drop them
Speaker:the links to the, the sh the show and the
Speaker:site and everything in the show notes. Thank you. Thank
Speaker:you. Okay, well guys, that I, again, Janine, thanks for
Speaker:being on the show. I really appreciate it. I love
Speaker:the fact that we had a lot of guests for
Speaker:about three quarters of the show, which I think it's
Speaker:going to be. So like, everybody's got to realize that
Speaker:this was what we do during the day, right? We're
Speaker:trained to do what we did. Hopefully your, your farm
Speaker:is keeping, well, I know what's Kelly doing this. This
Speaker:is, he still worked on in the political arena.
Speaker:And people are so mad at Trump that he's doing
Speaker:very well.
Speaker:So that sounds good to, it has gone up a
Speaker:lot of leaders that you'd be hoping for that. I
Speaker:don't know. Well, I appreciate your coming on the show,
Speaker:but I hope that people, you know, I'll check out
Speaker:your podcast player, the see. So it's a, it's a
Speaker:different kind of podcast for the communications industry at the
Speaker:moment. So really helping people understand, you know, what's going
Speaker:on now and how it works, you know, how do
Speaker:we get through it and, and get them back into
Speaker:the communication site later until the next week, guys, this
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