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Bonus Episode: Entrepreneurship, Mental Health, and Moments of Stillness, with Josh Currivan
Being an entrepreneur can be hard. Coping with mental health issues while growing and running your own business can add immense stress, both to you personally and those around you.
This is something that green industry professional Josh Currivan knows only too well. The last time we chatted, we spoke about his younger life, his upbringing, his mental health issues, and how that had led him to where he is today.
In this bonus episode of Podcaster Stories, we catch up one year later to talk about mental health and entrepreneurship, and how the two are intertwined.
Topics on the menu include
- What it means to be an entrepreneur while coping with mental health
- How it can impact your personal, family, and professional life
- How having ADHD impacts your business
- Why the predominantly male-dominated green industry still needs to talk more about mental health
- Why it's important to take moments of stillness for yourself
Settle back for a chat about the pressures of wanting to succeed, why you need to take the emotion out of business decisions to, and why the "go after everything" mindset is hurting you.
Connect with Josh:
Contact me: danny@podcasterstories.com
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Transcript
Hi, and welcome to a bonus episode of Podcaster Stories.
Speaker:This episode is from my previous show, a least through
Speaker:a drum, which I sunsetted earlier this year to fully
Speaker:concentrate on Podcaster Stories and It I speak to Josh,
Speaker:carve-in a thread and a colleague who I've known for
Speaker:a few years. Who's agreed in district pro over in
Speaker:the U S Joshua has a podcast called the WeScape
Speaker:podcast that talks about both the grid industry and itself.
Speaker:And also I'm dealing with mental health issues while, you
Speaker:know, trying to raise a family and runner up. I
Speaker:saw all business. It's a real interesting chart with a
Speaker:lot of great takeaways, both for business owners and for
Speaker:people that have mental health issues.
Speaker:I hope you enjoy this episode. Hello and welcome to
Speaker:Podcaster Stories each week we'll have a conversation about podcasts.
Speaker:It was across all mediums and share their story. What
Speaker:motivates them, why they started to heal as a group.
Speaker:And More also talk about their personal lives and some
Speaker:of the things that have happened that made them the
Speaker:person in the afternoon. And now here's your host. Danny
Speaker:Brown.
Speaker:I would say the focus of being conscious now in
Speaker:the admitting to myself, the, you know, if there's issues
Speaker:and I have to focus and I have to figure
Speaker:myself out and you know, a lot of things can
Speaker:Sue me. And I think one of the biggest things
Speaker:for me business was figuring out and in developing the
Speaker:ability to take the emotion out of business. And that's
Speaker:a lot of what I did is through the day
Speaker:I, you know, I'm a bad phone, God carry on
Speaker:with that with me all day, you know, my numbers
Speaker:were down for the quarter, right. You know, I I'd
Speaker:be flipping out and, and it's good to be like
Speaker:that to your conscious of what you're business is doing.
Speaker:But at the end of the day, you have to
Speaker:cut that cord and realized you don't take that with
Speaker:you, you know,
Speaker:Welcome to life through a DRAM where Danny, Brown shared
Speaker:his take on life, being a better person and appreciating
Speaker:the here and now all accompanied by a DRAM at
Speaker:a fine single malt whiskey. And now here's your host
Speaker:Danny Brown Hi guys. And welcome to another episode of
Speaker:live through a drum this week, I've got a returning
Speaker:guest from an earlier show, the sheer Josh Currivan who,
Speaker:when he was on the last time we spoke about
Speaker:his mental health fair battles. If you're like, and you
Speaker:know, he was growing up until this time, you know,
Speaker:and various and institutions and how he's, you know, overcome
Speaker:that to launch our successful business.
Speaker:Today, you want to catch up call, I've got to
Speaker:catch up a chart, I guess a we're gonna sort
Speaker:of revisit that a bit and talk about how that
Speaker:plays into entrepreneurship and how, you know, dealing with mental
Speaker:health issues plays into a run and grow on a
Speaker:business. So Josh, welcome to the show. It's been a
Speaker:while and it has to do. And how are you
Speaker:doing? Oh, I'm good, man. I am good. And I
Speaker:know that we were searching it. And just before the
Speaker:show here, you are saying that the way are there,
Speaker:so it kept you fairly quiet in the last month
Speaker:or so. Definitely.
Speaker:Yes. So we were, we, we usually gauge to, to
Speaker:really focus on snow work over here in Northeast, Massachusetts
Speaker:from January to about March. And it's been pretty mild
Speaker:this month or so we haven't done much action as
Speaker:far as getting out and to any snow removal.
Speaker:Yeah, I can imagine. And like you said, we, we
Speaker:had a, a whole bunch here, so I'll try send
Speaker:some of your way if you want to do that.
Speaker:So what I'm planning of the guests are S are
Speaker:there any of the listener's that, you know, aren't aware
Speaker:of you or didn't catch up with the last show,
Speaker:et cetera. How about introducing yourself a little bit of
Speaker:background on who you are and what you,
Speaker:Yeah, definitely. So again, Josh Caribbean, I live in Northeast,
Speaker:Massachusetts, and I own a, a, a, a landscape construction
Speaker:company over here that services are about 20 miles around
Speaker:of the greater Boston area. If you didn't listen to
Speaker:the last podcast, it kinda spoke briefly about my battles
Speaker:with a mental health childhood trauma, and kind of develop
Speaker:an into a, a, a, a grown-up and the obstacles
Speaker:that that took. And I think that's what we're gonna
Speaker:chat a little about today is a, you know, over
Speaker:coming in the past couple of years and growing into
Speaker:the person that made it today, and, you know, How
Speaker:developing our strategies of dealing with mental health help with
Speaker:me to get where of it.
Speaker:No, it got, and I'm really looking forward to that.
Speaker:I know it's something that a lot of people, especially
Speaker:in the industry that you're in and seeing some of
Speaker:the discussions from green industry professionals, it's certainly a topic
Speaker:that's very much, you know, Hi and there are a
Speaker:lot of peoples' agenda at the moment and I'm looking
Speaker:forward to chap. Yeah, it definitely, yeah. You know, as
Speaker:a sort of want a, I'm not sure because I
Speaker:know it's like more than where you are getting close
Speaker:to a lunch thing where I am. So I am
Speaker:having a sneaky, a little jam that today for the
Speaker:show, but it's a very mild one. It's just like
Speaker:a bit more, a 12 year old. And are you
Speaker:partaking in anything today or are you seeing,
Speaker:And in light of the coronavirus from having to cover
Speaker:all of that?
Speaker:No, it's well played. Well, I shall cheers you too
Speaker:that and enjoy the canola. So I'm just, Josh you
Speaker:mentioned in the intro there that you, you know, you
Speaker:built up a landscape business, but you've also, you know,
Speaker:you deal with mental health issues, you know, from growing
Speaker:up and you know, where you are today. So how
Speaker:long have you been dealing with mental health, your personal
Speaker:mental health, and how long have you been in business
Speaker:now? How have the two? So he joined each other.
Speaker:Well, I I've been in business for myself about five
Speaker:years now. And as far as the mental health, honestly,
Speaker:it was never addressed ever. And it was just in
Speaker:the past two years that I really started to see
Speaker:the light and, and it really focused on, on what
Speaker:was happening around me as far as like business family,
Speaker:friendships on things that were going well. I was having
Speaker:a lot of hiccups in my marriage, was having hiccups,
Speaker:ah, in, in business. And I was so quick
Speaker:To react. Ah, and in a, in the defense mechanism
Speaker:too aggressively find the answer I needed to know the
Speaker:answer right there and it wasn't working. So I don't
Speaker:know what it, wasn't sort of epiphany that I remember
Speaker:the week before July 4th, two years ago, just lying
Speaker:there and really just a self-reflection in, ah, trying to
Speaker:figure out what exactly what was going on and, and
Speaker:why these things were happening. You know, Why business was
Speaker:booming, but it wasn't happy. I was always an aggravated
Speaker:and mad, constantly fighting with my wife, bickering with my
Speaker:children. They don't want to be around me guys that
Speaker:were working for me. We were always walking on egg
Speaker:shells when I was around it. So it, it, it
Speaker:definitely took a little bit of a self-reflection two years
Speaker:ago and, and really kind of waking up.
Speaker:And it wasn't all at once. It was, it, it
Speaker:was gradually that, you know, you start to notice things
Speaker:and as you sit back and really take time, you
Speaker:can see how things change around you. And, you know,
Speaker:you, you, you, you present yourself a certain way
Speaker:And you mentioned, obviously its a gradual thing and you
Speaker:have that kind of epiphany to years ago, a lead
Speaker:up to that had people tried to tell you to
Speaker:either of, you know, seek help or it, maybe you
Speaker:need to speak to someone because they are not really
Speaker:sure, you know, how to help or was it something
Speaker:that you were dealing with on your own? Really?
Speaker:I would say it was kind of a denial that
Speaker:nothing was wrong. You know, the people that were going
Speaker:with the flow of what I wanted an outward work
Speaker:and there were people, you know, like my wife would
Speaker:constantly tell me that, you know, I put a lot
Speaker:on my plate, but a lot of pressure on myself
Speaker:that I should, you know, talk to a therapist or
Speaker:chat with someone and I didn't really have the people
Speaker:around me that would push to like really talk about
Speaker:emotions and feelings and you know, stress is, it was
Speaker:more or less like, you know, how will the socks
Speaker:of the past and the game the last night, you
Speaker:know, a quick picture, one, two and, and that's cool
Speaker:and all, but yeah, I mean, you, you definitely, I've
Speaker:learned now that, you know, you could do that, but
Speaker:you definitely want to have those Gates open when you,
Speaker:when you have something going your life and you are
Speaker:not able to talk to a spouse or partner about
Speaker:things like that.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And, and that's why that's such a key message as
Speaker:well. It's I think because of the stigma obviously is
Speaker:still sort of our hands know Mental Health discussions and
Speaker:it's a really hard to, to open up and, and
Speaker:talk, unless you mentioned, unless you have the people that
Speaker:understand what you're going through an arcane, do you understand
Speaker:what you're going through? It can be hard to get
Speaker:that cottage if you'd like to, to reach out to
Speaker:professional for help.
Speaker:Oh it is. And that's for sure. And I'm going
Speaker:to actually go back real quick. When I talked about
Speaker:being in survival mode on the last episode that was
Speaker:on and that's where that came into play. So I
Speaker:would say I have a lot of stuff that I
Speaker:dealt with as a teenager growing up from the time
Speaker:of, you know, getting through that to, you know, become
Speaker:a young adult with, with a child. There wasn't much
Speaker:time to self-reflect on things that were going on or
Speaker:the things that happened to me in the past or
Speaker:why it was where I was at that time. It
Speaker:was more or less like, OK, you dealt with The
Speaker:the juvenile detention to detention centers and institution's now it's
Speaker:time to manned up and become a man and figure
Speaker:that out and then go out on your own. And
Speaker:you know, you think that you had things figured out
Speaker:and they are going, but again its just survival mode.
Speaker:You're, you're going by instinct. You doing what you have
Speaker:to do to get by an honest to God, I
Speaker:mean that carry all throughout my twenties and 34 going
Speaker:to be 35 in a few weeks. And that carried
Speaker:up until I was 30. And you know, I look
Speaker:back at it now and it was just, it was
Speaker:ignorant of myself to not take a step back and
Speaker:say, Hey, well, things aren't working, you were literally just
Speaker:getting by with, with techniques that you created in self-taught
Speaker:yourself as a 15, 16, 17 year-old and the system.
Speaker:And you know, but as a man, you know, what
Speaker:excuses or are you making for yourself now that you
Speaker:did it when you're 17, that don't really work and
Speaker:yeah, definitely, you know, getting out of that survival mode
Speaker:and being able to say, Hey, you know, I, I
Speaker:need to talk to someone it's hard, its hard for
Speaker:a lot of people because it's, it's, you're not going
Speaker:to emit that something is wrong when you have those
Speaker:traits about you, that, you know, you, you do what
Speaker:you have to do to survive and I'd be straight
Speaker:up with you.
Speaker:I mean, I, I signed up for there to be
Speaker:two years ago and I'm on a break from it
Speaker:right now. And I get into that Why but that
Speaker:there would be, it was probably one of the best
Speaker:things and there is stigma behind it and it wasn't
Speaker:one of those things where you sit on the couch
Speaker:and you know, they ask if, if you know, uncle
Speaker:Bob or touched U as a kid is more or
Speaker:less by organizing your thoughts on that was one of
Speaker:the biggest things I had trouble with and even going
Speaker:into the business was organized in my thoughts, you know,
Speaker:I, I deal with ADHD and you know, that's been
Speaker:a culprit, that's kinda set me back a little bit,
Speaker:but I've learned to live with it and adjust and,
Speaker:and adjust my mind too, you know, my thinking process
Speaker:and being able to, to sit back and actually realize
Speaker:that now it definitely helps, you know.
Speaker:All right. And, and it's interesting, you mentioned your ADHD
Speaker:and how that plays a certain role or how you've
Speaker:used it to play a certain role and guests within
Speaker:your business. Do you think that, because I know a,
Speaker:for example, autism people who have autism or have been
Speaker:phone to be really good at detailed oriented jobs like
Speaker:accountant because of, you know, the way the mind works.
Speaker:Do you feel that you read the HD As helped
Speaker:you focus on certain on your business on how to
Speaker:run a or do you think its it's been a
Speaker:hindrance or I'm not sure what the right word, but
Speaker:There's definitely pros and cons to it. DHD is as
Speaker:far as a, you know, I, I always considered it
Speaker:multitasking, but you know, you're not finishing the task at
Speaker:hand and you know, things are a mess, you know,
Speaker:now that I'm aware of it, not to say it
Speaker:was an excuse before for being sloppy or anything like
Speaker:that. But I know that for me, that there was
Speaker:a label on it. Its its easier for me to
Speaker:actually be conscious of what's going on in my mind.
Speaker:If I find myself saying, Hey, you know what, today's
Speaker:the day. And I'm gonna sit in on an invoice.
Speaker:I want to work with my marketing and payroll. But
Speaker:during that time I'm like, well let me work on
Speaker:five design. It's a mom to be able to catch
Speaker:myself a little bit more and say, you know what?
Speaker:This isn't like, the brainstorming that multitasking that this is
Speaker:me losing my way.
Speaker:Like I could've focused on the guy. And, and that's
Speaker:the, the downside of it is, is you constantly have
Speaker:to be conscious and, and find in and see yourself
Speaker:doing that. And if I put yourself on the bus
Speaker:and say, no, no, no. Well, so, you know, for
Speaker:me, what helps is actually being diagnosed with the ADHD
Speaker:helped me develop the ability to make a list and,
Speaker:and stick to a schedule per day, what I'm going
Speaker:to do Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then the weekends.
Speaker:I usually play by day. And, and that was something
Speaker:that I never did. And, and, and that always kept
Speaker:me in the butt too, because you know, self doubt
Speaker:kicks in, especially when you're dealing with, you know, depression,
Speaker:anxiety, ADHD, self doubt can be at kick in the
Speaker:ass. And when you set these goals and for some
Speaker:reason I think a lot of entrepreneurs set these unrealistic
Speaker:goals of what you're going to achieve and when you
Speaker:don't achieve them, because your mind, especially from me, my
Speaker:mind wandering everywhere you look down, he said, what the
Speaker:hell am I doing it?
Speaker:You know, like, like I didn't get anything done. I
Speaker:started at 20 tasks. I didn't give one single thing.
Speaker:And they had done it's aggravating, you know, but being
Speaker:able to have that label on it and say, okay,
Speaker:I've got to focus and I'm not going to let
Speaker:it control me. And I'm gonna finish all my tasks.
Speaker:It is rewarding at the end of the day, when,
Speaker:you know, you can check off everything on that list
Speaker:and, and know that you've actually succeeded in, in these
Speaker:small goals you set for yourself each day. So I
Speaker:can't say that there is definitely a benefit or a
Speaker:con from it, but it's kind of in the middle.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I mean, and, and that's a really good way to
Speaker:describe it. It's, you know, that your examples that you
Speaker:used there, you had mentioned obviously the, prior to the
Speaker:epiphany that you had a, you know, back in July
Speaker:of two years ago, people were out and you were
Speaker:noticing are, may be bearing the brunt. If you're like,
Speaker:Oh, you have some of your, your, your swings, you
Speaker:know, your ups downs, et cetera. I mean, w running
Speaker:your own business and, you know, a couple more mental
Speaker:health issues that the same time, or did you find
Speaker:that out? It see additional stress on pharma life than
Speaker:say, if you weren't obviously coping with mental health issues,
Speaker:are you were in a, a standard nine to five
Speaker:job versus running your own business?
Speaker:Well,
Speaker:I would say that in your meeting. So before I
Speaker:have the epiphany, how do I was dealing with, with
Speaker:the stresses of everyday life?
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, yeah, it just really, I, I guess
Speaker:I know of myself, for example, my wife's sufficient, a
Speaker:mental health has eyes to eye, and sometimes that can
Speaker:be a tough thing when you're trying to run a
Speaker:family or on a host household, et cetera, but we
Speaker:don't have, like, we both worked for other people. So
Speaker:I'm just curious, as you mentioned, entrepreneurs put so much
Speaker:more pressure on themselves. Did you know, how did that
Speaker:play out for yourself and your family while you are
Speaker:building a business and still understanding that you had, you
Speaker:know, mental health issues that you, that you were battling,
Speaker:But it definitely added to the stress I'm in
Speaker:An eye and said, I really didn't have a plan.
Speaker:You know, you, you read all these, you know, motivational
Speaker:books and the business coach books and that, you know,
Speaker:they send out the plan, but from a lot of
Speaker:people in that, I want to say a lot of
Speaker:people in my industry, you get into this Usually, you
Speaker:know, when, when you're back in the corner, it's the
Speaker:cheapest industry to get into. So you kind of run
Speaker:along and we did the same time we signed up,
Speaker:they can, you know, weed, most of the lawns, we
Speaker:would just clean up and it will be simple, but
Speaker:we're in a month really took off then that first
Speaker:year. And we grew so fast that we didn't have
Speaker:the time to really establish the fan. So a plan
Speaker:So well, I'm, you know, somewhat conscious of, you know,
Speaker:I needed to work on self development and stuff, but
Speaker:I'm not really putting focus on it.
Speaker:I'm not paying attention to the stresses. The triggers are
Speaker:around me and I'm taking everything in and I'm not
Speaker:delegating at this point. And this is a really unusual
Speaker:because before going to business for myself, I've ran businesses.
Speaker:I worked for corporations where I was Hi in higher
Speaker:positions, I've ran automotive dealerships is operations managers, but it's
Speaker:always different when it's not your, as you can close
Speaker:the door or a drop your wrenches and your home
Speaker:for the day. So I wasn't really paying attention to
Speaker:the triggers around me. So the added stress was to
Speaker:get to the point where I would be waking up
Speaker:with the sweat two in the middle of the night,
Speaker:I was definitely jumped me. I was barking of the
Speaker:smallest things. I would say my oldest who's 14 now
Speaker:remembers me being a snappy over the smallest thing.
Speaker:You, you know, like I'm trying to focus or in
Speaker:a bill and, you know, if someone would drop the
Speaker:cup and I'd lose my mind, I would say the
Speaker:focus of being conscious now in a meeting to myself
Speaker:that, you know, there was issues and I have to
Speaker:focus and I have to figure myself out and, you
Speaker:know, a lot or not what things can Sue me.
Speaker:And I think one of the biggest things for me
Speaker:in business was figuring out and, and developing and the
Speaker:ability to take the emotion out of business. And that's
Speaker:a lot of what I did is through the day
Speaker:I would, you know, I'm a bad phone, God carry
Speaker:on with that with me all day, you know, my
Speaker:numbers were down for the quarter, you know, I I'd
Speaker:be flipping out and, and it's good to be like
Speaker:that. So your conscious of what you're business is doing,
Speaker:but at the end of the day, you have to
Speaker:cut that cord and realize that you don't take that
Speaker:with you.
Speaker:You know, we, I work in a home office. We're
Speaker:both in here. We know once we leave this office,
Speaker:that's it, that it stays there. But even when doing
Speaker:with customers at the moment, it's, you know, it's, it's
Speaker:pretty scripted now for what we do with it. There's
Speaker:no emotion about that. At the end of the day,
Speaker:these are just people that are looking for a service,
Speaker:the same way you walk into target and you see
Speaker:a cheaper item on Amazon and by an Amazon and
Speaker:they take the emotion and you move on to the
Speaker:next. So taking the emotion out of business has definitely
Speaker:helped me personally and professionally.
Speaker:And, and how do you, how do you do that?
Speaker:Cause I know you mentioned you had a, a very
Speaker:passionate passion for your business. How do you take the
Speaker:emotion? How would you allow them to take the emotion,
Speaker:aware and understand that it's not personal? No. Is just
Speaker:a business decision that was awkward. That can be easier
Speaker:for you, or was that a hard thing for you
Speaker:to do?
Speaker:No. God, no. So like I said, it in the,
Speaker:I said in the last episode, so I grew up
Speaker:in Boston and I grew up in, in, in like
Speaker:a, an area in and around people that, ah, I
Speaker:don't know if, remember you saying this is like you
Speaker:brushed everything under the rug. And the build up of
Speaker:emotion came out and it came out as a aggression
Speaker:and like a lot of mint have we come out
Speaker:are emotions. Don't usually come out with tears as they
Speaker:come out in anger, we come out and we hit
Speaker:walls. We slam things, we raise our voices. And that
Speaker:was me to the fullest extent. And that it didn't
Speaker:matter who you were, you can be a potential customer
Speaker:with a a hundred thousand dollars jobs. If I didn't
Speaker:like your attitude, I'm just letting you know. And that
Speaker:was ignorant to me. But to, to say that it's
Speaker:easy, God knows for me to, at least it wasn't
Speaker:easy. It was a lot of swallow, my pride. And
Speaker:there were definitely hiccups along the way.
Speaker:And you know, if it came to a point where
Speaker:it was like, you know, a customer, a fire just
Speaker:from a job or for a maintenance account, I would
Speaker:take that to heart and be like, why are we
Speaker:doing this? And that's where the self doubt would come
Speaker:into play and say, you know, maybe I'm not meant
Speaker:for this. Maybe this isn't me. Maybe I need to
Speaker:go, you know, put my resume on indeed and see
Speaker:if I can get another job managing someplace. Like, I'm
Speaker:just, I'm not meant for this. And you would go
Speaker:through this. I would constantly go through the cycle. And
Speaker:then they have one day I just sat back and
Speaker:I said, well, why don't, why or why not just
Speaker:be a frigging, a robot? And you know, obviously you,
Speaker:you mingle part of it is, is, you know, you
Speaker:kinda have to swap the customer's and, and let them
Speaker:know your personality. But you know, of the day it's
Speaker:business where you're going to spend the money with you
Speaker:or someone else, you have to sell it, you do
Speaker:the job, that's it. And you move away and you
Speaker:have to keep telling yourself, this is just business.
Speaker:At the end of the day, what really matters is
Speaker:what's at home. And that's what I've done for so
Speaker:long is I put so much emotion into the job
Speaker:and took it home with me. It brought my home
Speaker:life back in to work with me. I never had
Speaker:those, those boundaries set. And that was a lot of
Speaker:it. And on the personal side of setting boundaries, that
Speaker:was one of them. I had never set for myself,
Speaker:for my wife, for my family. We were all in
Speaker:each other's business. And we never had our alone time
Speaker:and setting boundaries and, and guidelines for things at home.
Speaker:In my personal life. It really helped me and the
Speaker:professional aspect where I could say, well, you know what,
Speaker:if I, if I give my wife her space and
Speaker:they do this, everybody is kind of like, well, what
Speaker:if I could do this and say, you know what,
Speaker:I'm not gonna answer my phone at eight o'clock at
Speaker:night, I'm going to set my phone, my business Line
Speaker:to ring from 7:00 AM to 5:00 AM.
Speaker:And that's it. If you need to reach me, it's
Speaker:a landscape and there's, there's no emergency involved the landscaping
Speaker:that you need to reach me at two o'clock in
Speaker:the morning. Right. And, and yeah, it was definitely tough.
Speaker:But once you set these boundaries for yourself and you
Speaker:realize like, at the end of the day, it's just
Speaker:a business, you know, it's not life or death with
Speaker:this, you know, we're not doctors, we're not lawyers, we're
Speaker:not medics. You know, its the seriousness kind of takes
Speaker:away from it and yeah, it definitely helped us out
Speaker:the, they set the boundaries. Thank you.
Speaker:And I think that's why I like about some of
Speaker:the new on the newer smartphones as well. There have
Speaker:these settings on them, you know, for like a digital
Speaker:wellbeing to make sure that your stepping away from screen
Speaker:time to look after your mental health site.
Speaker:Well, you know, I love that. I noticed that the
Speaker:iPhone has it now where they can actually monitor actually
Speaker:said it for, for Instagram and Facebook. Once you hit,
Speaker:you know, maybe 30 minutes per day of social media
Speaker:time, it actually blocks you all. I mean, all you
Speaker:have to do is sit in the code, but it
Speaker:it's, you know, you can do, you can go back
Speaker:and actually read the data that, you know, you you've
Speaker:just been spending way too much time on the phone,
Speaker:you know, FaceTime it for three hours and will back
Speaker:away from that a little bit.
Speaker:When we spoke earlier about the, the industry and how,
Speaker:you know, w we, we simply see more or less
Speaker:seems to be more people in the green industry talking
Speaker:about their mental health. Now I know on some of
Speaker:the Facebook groups, you have people like a, I can't
Speaker:remember his name though. That's not the bad bits and
Speaker:the lawn care of legends, a Facebook group, for example,
Speaker:there's a lot of discussions about mental health and how
Speaker:you look after yourself, you know, in the stress industry,
Speaker:what, what do you feel is the, the support networks
Speaker:like in your industry do grin and district rules talk
Speaker:about it enough or is it still something that, that
Speaker:needs to be spoken about more or
Speaker:All right. So I'm going to kind of categorize this
Speaker:and that. And they know that the green industry in
Speaker:mental health and all is it isn't directed just towards
Speaker:one demographic, but I'm going to speak in the male
Speaker:perspective on this because the green industry is predominantly male
Speaker:and have not taken away from females on the bus.
Speaker:I'm just speaking from a male perspective because I've been
Speaker:trying to focus a lot on mil, mental health and
Speaker:masculinity, positive masculinity And and all that. And I think
Speaker:that in the past year, there have been a few
Speaker:guys that have brought up mental health. And I think
Speaker:it's definitely something that's more talked about, but it's not.
Speaker:So, you know, its not so fluent to say, it's
Speaker:just like, Hey listen, I'm, I'm depressed.
Speaker:I'm in, there is different, there's different types of depression.
Speaker:There's different types of a lack of mental health that
Speaker:you have to watch out for. And in part of
Speaker:the, you know, in the green industry, especially is, you
Speaker:know, you see a lot of guys on social media
Speaker:that will go on there and it, it sounds crazy,
Speaker:but we have as adults that you would look in
Speaker:another person to say, wow, well that guy has got
Speaker:it going on. Or you know, what does he do?
Speaker:And he has sponsorships through manufacturers. He has a brand
Speaker:new truck, a brand new trailer. And I actually spoke
Speaker:with this on one of the, one of the affiliations
Speaker:that I've had for PM. I've had people message me.
Speaker:And it's why, you know, you, you really can't look
Speaker:at what these people have on social media and, and
Speaker:take it into your own business.
Speaker:And, and one of the things that, that I did
Speaker:for the longest time in this was not even realizing
Speaker:it was like I was in such a rush. And
Speaker:I think a lot of guys, if you're going to
Speaker:speak about, you know, Entrepreneurship or green industry ownership, business'
Speaker:ownership and, and a lack of Mental, Health one of
Speaker:the things that you have to realize to set realistic
Speaker:guidelines and timelines. There is no race in business. The,
Speaker:the one thing about the green industry as that is
Speaker:so lucrative, I mean, this is $186 billion business. There's
Speaker:enough money to go around and there's not a race.
Speaker:Everybody takes it their own pace. So I, I wish
Speaker:guys, you really set that standard where, you know what
Speaker:people know how long you've you've taken to get where
Speaker:you are.
Speaker:You know, if you are not, everybody is going to
Speaker:be a, you know, a one year in one year
Speaker:of success coming the gate. So it just sets the
Speaker:standard guidelines and makes sure that you're expressing when you're
Speaker:talking about things that I think that's a big, big,
Speaker:no to make is, is, you know, let people know
Speaker:that it takes time too, to get where you are
Speaker:and that, you know, you're going to go through these,
Speaker:these feelings of, of, of being down in, in the
Speaker:right and, and self doubt. But yet there are a
Speaker:few guys that have talked about it. I don't think
Speaker:that it's, it's very out there. I think that there
Speaker:is definitely a, a, there's still a stigma on it
Speaker:in the green industry, especially when you get to the
Speaker:construction side of things because, and, and I hate using
Speaker:the world a, what do they say, false masculinity,
Speaker:Right? You know, that
Speaker:You you're still kinda have that aspect of it where
Speaker:its like, you know, you are going to meet up,
Speaker:let your balls drop it and deal with it. And
Speaker:I feel like it's a, it's a different time. And
Speaker:I don't think that that even employee's, you know, this
Speaker:is a very demanding industry, especially when you get into
Speaker:the landscape and the hardscape construction side of it and
Speaker:deadlines are a tough to meet. You know, if you
Speaker:have a bad run up a weather, rain or snow,
Speaker:it, it can definitely set you back. And I don't
Speaker:think that enough guys talk about Stillness in reflection when
Speaker:you do this. And I think it's constantly go, go,
Speaker:go, go. The one thing that I do see a
Speaker:lot is the same guys that, and I'm not trying
Speaker:to finger point anybody here, but the same guys that
Speaker:I see talk about it, you know, you go back
Speaker:in two months ago, it's the 80, 90 hour week
Speaker:crying.
Speaker:And, and I honestly think that's a crock of shit,
Speaker:excuse my language for the client. But that's one thing
Speaker:that, and I used to be like that. And even
Speaker:before I get to the industry, I would work six
Speaker:to 80 hours a week grinding. And it's like, you
Speaker:know, the Lake, it was like for Why yeah. For
Speaker:what to make someone else money. And, and, and even
Speaker:today I go, why should work? Well, why should I
Speaker:work 80 hours a week? Because you know what I
Speaker:mean? I like my time, you know, there was no
Speaker:reason that I can in 40 to 50 hours a
Speaker:week, figure out what I get to figure out to
Speaker:make paycheck and to put some money in the bank.
Speaker:And if you are working 80 hours a week and
Speaker:I get that, you're going to have times where you
Speaker:have to grind out what are you going to have
Speaker:time to self reflect and really like figure your thoughts
Speaker:out and have a moment of stillness. And, and I
Speaker:keep saying Stillness because this is one thing that's someone
Speaker:brought up and they're like, Josh when do you take
Speaker:that moment?
Speaker:And still in it, when you're out there, quote unquote,
Speaker:doing the grind 80 hours a week. And I'm like,
Speaker:well, you don't want to be in my car. And
Speaker:I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're,
Speaker:you're not actually still, this is when you're not meditating
Speaker:with, at the point where you're just sitting on your,
Speaker:on your, your self or, and you're staring off into
Speaker:the wall and actually figuring out mapping out your thoughts
Speaker:and, and what's going on with you because there may
Speaker:be underlining things that are going on with you. Maybe
Speaker:your down, maybe you are in self doubt or maybe
Speaker:there is a little hint of depression or maybe you're
Speaker:fine, but you're not taking that minute to figure that
Speaker:out. And you're, you're acting on impulse and just a,
Speaker:a trigger reaction to get an answer automatically. You know,
Speaker:the, the easiest way is to blame something or a
Speaker:fall in the, the, the, the quickest results, you know,
Speaker:rather than figure things out. And I think a lot
Speaker:of guys, especially in my industry, you need to take
Speaker:that moment of a, again, I hate the word self-care,
Speaker:it's another thing, but actually pay attention to your physical,
Speaker:mental health or reflect on, you know, where you are,
Speaker:where you're going to be appreciated with where you are,
Speaker:you know, things take time and, and take those moments
Speaker:of stillness and really just blank out.
Speaker:And when I say Stillness to me to shut the
Speaker:phone off the wife or girlfriend partner, whatever it is,
Speaker:kids go away and just reflect on your day 10
Speaker:minutes, just reflect any of that. And that's something that
Speaker:we do every single day. Now I do it in
Speaker:the morning of the month at 5:00 AM, or I
Speaker:don't touch anybody talking to anybody. I go right into
Speaker:my couch, I have my coffee. And I just think,
Speaker:and at the end of the day, I try to
Speaker:do the same thing that I sit down. And I
Speaker:really, you know, I take in what happens if I'm
Speaker:having an argument with a wife and I, you know,
Speaker:I don't wanna address it then if I'm not to
Speaker:act on impulse and try to come up with an
Speaker:area of the answer, cause I don't have to have
Speaker:one right. Then if it's now you move with the
Speaker:customer at the same day, and it's the end of
Speaker:the day, I, I calm down and come back and
Speaker:realize its not that big of a deal.
Speaker:All right. And that, that came to that lends into
Speaker:something that is going to ask you, you actually are.
Speaker:And I, and I love that moment of stillness. I
Speaker:think that's a great approach to tech because like you
Speaker:mentioned, there's so much pressure to do X, Y, Z
Speaker:either in business, personal life, family, in our peers, et
Speaker:cetera. And we don't take that moment of stillness and
Speaker:that quiet time to really reflect on a success because
Speaker:often we, we were really good as a human race
Speaker:and beating ourselves up and we don't do it anywhere
Speaker:near enough to actually congratulate ourselves and some of this
Speaker:stuff we have pulled off. So I really liked that
Speaker:fact and that kinda ties into what I was gonna
Speaker:ask. I mean, based on your own lessons and experiences,
Speaker:you may have already answered it with your, you know,
Speaker:with that, that quote you just came up with.
Speaker:Oh, you just mentioned. So what would be the one
Speaker:tip that you would give to anyone currently gone through
Speaker:the same journey of trying to build a business or
Speaker:growing a business and running a business while you know,
Speaker:are coping with mental health issues as there is one
Speaker:thing that you have learned from say the last five
Speaker:years of being in business, coupled with your own journey
Speaker:with mental health and your ongoing Gen that you would
Speaker:offer up advice to young people that are maybe in
Speaker:the same situation, but don't have the cottage to recognize
Speaker:that would speak about it.
Speaker:All right. You ready? Its as simple as it is,
Speaker:like I said before to reflect. And I think the
Speaker:people that deal with mental illness and in are in
Speaker:business for themselves are constantly reaching for that next step.
Speaker:Like, you know, what's better within the next thing. What's
Speaker:the next thing because you know, in mental health, you
Speaker:know, sometimes the easiest thing is, you know, when something
Speaker:goes wrong, it's easier to just blame something for simple
Speaker:answer to that, just to get a simple answer. So
Speaker:it's open it, right? So if you take that moment
Speaker:and if you really, you really reflects on, on your
Speaker:day, on your month and your year end and really
Speaker:just taking in and seeing where you are, you're going
Speaker:to realize that you were a lot further along in
Speaker:life and the journey of Entrepreneurship than you realize.
Speaker:And people are constantly looking for the next step, but
Speaker:you know, we, we do this, you know, we can
Speaker:go out to work for ourselves to, for freedom, whether
Speaker:it's financial freedom or, or if it's work wife caught
Speaker:only mine was a little bit of both, but now
Speaker:I'm realizing that, you know, the work life balance in
Speaker:the family time away is the money, you know, and
Speaker:of course it's great to make tons of money who,
Speaker:who doesn't want money in it, it it's, it's what
Speaker:we do. But at the same time, you have to
Speaker:look back and reflect to where you are and what
Speaker:you've done. And there's no this invisible timeline in a
Speaker:race that we set for us. So you need to
Speaker:get rid of that. It doesn't matter if you're, you
Speaker:know, a millionaire by the time of your dirty 25
Speaker:or if you get $500 on your bank account at
Speaker:40, you know, it's, it's never too late to correct
Speaker:your steps to look back.
Speaker:But if you are constantly reflecting in and taking these
Speaker:moments, it's still an issue Stillness and actually thinking about
Speaker:your thoughts and putting them through the ringer, you you're
Speaker:going to realize, Hey, I'm happy with where I am.
Speaker:It's it's a lot easier to pay attention to the
Speaker:day to day, rather than just going well, this year
Speaker:sucked because X, Y, and Z didn't happen, but you
Speaker:know what, ABCD EMG also happened and they were positive.
Speaker:Right? Exactly. At least. Yeah. I mean, XYZ. Is that
Speaker:fair enough if that doesn't happen, but that's pretty laterals
Speaker:of the alphabet. You've got another 20, 32 a player
Speaker:of, so, okay, so Josh yeah. I mean, this is
Speaker:again another or eliminate in chat and I really appreciate
Speaker:you coming on and share it and your experiences, you
Speaker:know, one of our listeners, it says it's always, you
Speaker:know, welcomed where can people, because I know, you know,
Speaker:run your own podcast, where can people find you online
Speaker:to have a listen to your podcast and Bea, you
Speaker:know, to just check it out online
Speaker:On the podcast, it's that we skate podcast, you can
Speaker:find me on Apple and anchor and you can find
Speaker:me on Instagram at J Curry, J a Y S
Speaker:C U R R I a.
Speaker:Awesome. And I'll be sure to drop all of these
Speaker:links in to the show notes. So if people who
Speaker:are looking for it or, you know, direct link, so
Speaker:you can find them and to show us, okay, so
Speaker:again, Josh so, like I said, I really appreciate you
Speaker:jumping into the show today, but I think there has
Speaker:been some really good takeaways for our listeners too, you
Speaker:know, whether its own growing a business or running a
Speaker:business deal and, you know, with a wild grew up
Speaker:in a family and also obviously dealing with mental health
Speaker:issues. I think there's a lot of strong takeaways for
Speaker:people to take today. So I really appreciate it. Josh
Speaker:Wait, can I throw it one more thing? I get
Speaker:there before we can hang up in a number going
Speaker:to push this a little bit on my, on my
Speaker:green industry pages. And the one thing I want to
Speaker:leave everybody with here is, you know, we, I talk
Speaker:a lot on a lot of the platforms in a
Speaker:lot of noise about having your, your coach, your team
Speaker:in place and your team doesn't have to be inside
Speaker:your company, but it also falls like your accountants, your
Speaker:attorneys, your, or your tax professionals in, in one thing
Speaker:that I'll push to help for me is I consider
Speaker:my therapist or my group of who I talk to
Speaker:you outside of the Marine industry. And that's part of
Speaker:my team. So you, you know, my therapy, as far
Speaker:as, like I said, I've been on kind of a
Speaker:hiatus from that right now because I'm trying to break,
Speaker:try to figure out my own lots and see where
Speaker:I am as hard as there would be. I think
Speaker:that's a very essential tool when you're only a business,
Speaker:at least for this industry as having someone outside of
Speaker:your industry, whether it's a mental health professional, or a
Speaker:mentor to speak with them, talk to about all aspects
Speaker:of life, not just business, because you do need a
Speaker:vented out and we are not all Hercules.
Speaker:We need to be able to get these thoughts out
Speaker:and this isn't, you know, call on anybody a wish
Speaker:to say that you need a polo to cry on
Speaker:our shoulder crying on, but sometimes you do figuratively have
Speaker:that person or persons in your toolbox and your team.
Speaker:Not that a solid advice. And I would agree 100%.
Speaker:I know from my own point of view, having someone
Speaker:at that, was it gone back to your statement about
Speaker:stepping away emotionally and making sure, you know, looking at
Speaker:it from us as a professional angle or a, like
Speaker:a, a third party angle, if you're like completely agreed
Speaker:that that's excellent advice Josh for sure. Definitely. All right
Speaker:guys. Well, this has been another episode of life through
Speaker:John. I hope you enjoyed that. And like I say,
Speaker:I'll be dropping off of the details about where you
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